My thought exactly. The fact that a lot of people in the gambling circles may have done this does not make it ok. I doubt many creditors, old school or new, would be cool with someone making debt knowing full well that they are probably not going to be able to pay back at the agreed time. If they agree on paying back when able then ok but its obviously not ok not to let the creditor know about ones whole financial situation.

As for playing in a game while owing money to people, i guess i can understand it for those degens who have run up debts they cant pay otherwise, they sort of have nothing to lose at that point and can only borrow more to try to recover. But this was not the case for EL, he had money pooring in from FT, all he had to do was not degen it away. And I would be mad as hell if someone who owed me money was just throwing it away gambling, just to stay in action, in games where he clearly doesnt even have an edge, and making more debt. And then theres the lying about sending a cheque...

Exactly this. I mean, c'mon guys, he's CASH BROKE, thats the worst kind.

Sorry this is a little off topic and mods feel free to delete my reply if you deem so.. but..

How incredibly stupid do people have to be to have an "endless" stream of money coming in every month and still manage to rack up huge debts to people. Like someone suggested, all Edouche would have to do is lay low for 6 months. Grind 10-20 and pay off using his wedge from FTP.

I'm not really only talking about Edouche but also CF et all. How ****ing stupid do you have to be to have this amazing company and image, which is printing money quicker than you can count it, yet manage to **** it up and end up busto. Wow it's so ****ing depressing I can't even comprehend. I guess a lot of the FTP guys started to feel a little invincible when they were receiving money every month for nothing.. they started to believe all the BS they were selling people, that they really were "poker pros". There were so many people on FTPs roster that wouldn't stand a chance of beating the modern games without a huge BR behind them and FTP money and endorsements. The WWE thing someone mentioned earlier is 100% spot on IMO.

Back to Edouche... how can you be in such a fantastic position in life and end up owing the ****ing IRS money and be busto... jesus man. So irresponsible.

This is so sad, he was one of my favorite dudes in the poker world

Pretty stupid. I guess many of them were degens to begin with and i would imagine the lifestyle in vegas, being surrounded by people gambling for a lot of money, the fame that game with the boom, all of that can draw certain types in and make it even more difficult for a degen to stay smart about money.

+1. Always seemed like a nice and cool guy, sort of laid back. Maybe he is, dunno, but obviously what hes done here is very far from cool.

this old school (everyone owes everyone behind the scenes) world sounds like the Eurozone crisis. Interesting the guy who pointed out the link between degen compulsions and having a break in responsibility/personal honour, like an emotion vs logic disconnect.

I hope everyone gets paid in someway. Seems crazy that a thread started over a lowly $2k debt and spiralling stories could turn into something that could cost edog and his rep so much more $$$ harm with future deals.

im mentally preparing myself for "Erik Sidel marrys Russ Hamilton; claiming he did nothing wrong at UB & you have to use every edge you can get in todays game" thread

i suggest you all do the same

If someone were to tell me that Brandon Adams and Haralabob were going to post in a thread about Erick Lindgren I never would have dreamed those posts were going to shed Erick is such a negative light.

For Erick's sake and the sake of his family let's hope he gets things sorted out ASAP.

Excellent post Bob.

Calls out DN very well.

Making excuses "new school" vs "old school" is really, really lame. Plus the fact DN didn't take the time to read that it was not only $2.8k that was owed (infact nearly $50k) says an awful lot about how much he cares about this situation.

So what you're saying is Erick is ****ing stupid, right? Like he's not just a crazy gambler like Ivey, who's very intelligent, but he's actually downright stupid.

Erick is an unintelligent, degenerate, pathetic, scumbag of a gambler. Nice life. Enjoy being broke for the rest of your life.

Its obv Erick has no chance of sorting things out!!! He's deeeeep!!! Maybe make a few dollars on a documentry abt his life (movie) / reality tv (celeb rehab) or take his case 20k and move to costa rica and grind live 2-5 NL

i wonder how much he owes ftp

[QUOTE=EYESCREW;31893885]If someone were to tell me that Brandon Adams and Haralabob were going to post in a thread about Erick Lindgren I never would have dreamed those posts were going to shed Erick is such a negative light.

For Erick's sake and the sake of his family let's hope he gets things sorted out ASAP.[/QUOTE]

Agree, come on guys give him some compassion, if he owes that much in taxes hes in serious trouble, with a capital S.
They dont mess about when their owed, they will seize everything he has to his name.

Hope you can somehow get it sorted EL, and attempt to get your rep back.

Good luck.

this...

i can't even imagine having to try and collect from that guy for like 8 years straight, it's obvious Edegen's whole plan was to make things as difficult and uncomfortable for his collectors in the hope they would say, "*** it, collecting xxx xxx sum of money from this guy just isn't worth my time"

LOL @ DNs response.

It's one thing to be okay with some sort of gambling system where everybody has to wait to be paid on bets, I think I could understand that, but that is simply not what Lindgren has been doing seeing the overwhelming load of evidence ITT.

There is a difference between being honest and saying "I have a temporary cashflow issue" and saying you've sent out checks and that you're "super busy" while you're clearly busto and have been living that lifestyle for years.

Now I can understand that if he is indeed a huge fish that people would keep close about his habbits, especially when FTP was basicly giving him a huge roll, but trying to defend that "it's pretty standard in the old generation" is ridiculous. He hasn't gone in one of those unlikely bad runs that has left him busto, he's been betting like a huge degen for years and it has finally caught up to him.

TY Voulgaris for posting, I remember you from a pokershow(think it was the big game) and I remember it being very funny. You even reminded me of a comedian, but don't remember who atm.

One of the guys in HSNL got most of his money back now it seems.

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Erica is prolly paying every debt he has back, so she can figure out wether she should stay with him or not.

^ Haha if she had uploaded the funds to paypal and waited a few days for them to clear first, he wouldn't have been stiffed on those huge paypal fees. It'd have been a free personal transfer, no fee

edit: nvm was posted in other thread

If I had to guess I would say it was in the millions. Not just a million.

How the mighty have fallen. Isn't it amazing how the American boob tube can transform despicable people into marketable commodities?

EL lived a completely unwarranted and undeserved lifestyle for a long time. Nobody forced his dumba55 to buy a 7-figure house and 6-figure cars. Especially when the people who made this possible for him have real problems in the real world - you know that place where 10 thousand dollars (locked on a poker site) is a lot of money.

FFS look at the state of the "poker community." It's completely decrepit; trust is the scarcest commodity. If you want people to change their opinions about debt and obligation, you give them a reason to. If these 'ballas' started getting their legs broken as a matter of course over owing 100k!, I promise you people would start taking debts more seriously and the culture in general would change for the better. People who make 75k grinding cards (like I did my first year grinding) would decide that 'I probably can't afford that 50k car actually, or that $1700 condo."

the easiest way to clean up pokers image is to stop all the loaning/staking/gambling outside of poker all together. if you are a professional poker player act like one and don't bet more on sports than you do in poker.

i also believe though like another poster mentioned already in this thread is that every type of field be it banking, medical, lawyer, and obv even in the doj, there are crooked people in every line of work it is just new in the poker world for there to be a forum as big as this one where people are talking about it. the actions of guys like Erik are despicable, but people also need to hold themselves accountable and stop all the degen bets with no money upfront and research who you are doing business with

The thing about this situation that is so pathetic are all the 'he seemed like such a cool/nice/trustworthy guy' comments. The power of a few minutes of edited tv material is truly phemonenal.

Wait, I still don't understand how Erick couldn't have borrowed from someone the $2800 to pay the guy back??

I mean, this guy for years(definitely unwarranted though) has been dealing with people that have been rolling with dough - and not all came from the crappy "Clonie Gowan is a ftp pro after barely playing poker in her life" bull**** company Full Tilt.

Do you mean to tell me Erick could not have found even 1 person to lend him $2800 to pay the guy back??? Not 1???

I mean, even Stu Unger got Chip Reese to pay $5000 or something to bail him out of the Clark County Detention Center when Stu screwed over everyone in Vegas and then some.

If you have such a bad rep some people wont even bet with you, finding someone to borrow from is going to be a bitch .