Erick Lindgren Owes Over $100,000 for Fantasy League, Won't Pay - Page 13 - Poker News

If you think poker players are less moral than other social groups, you don't know other social groups.

If engineers, nurses, teacher, store clerks, whatever, don't scam each other as much, it's only because they don't deal in money with each other like we do.

Some of you need to learn about how often engineers, nurses, teachers, store clerks lie cheat and steal, in little ways, in big ways. Do you even know how scummy the average doctor is, for example? All the ways in which they scam their patients, in return for a piece of the pharmacology pie?

And I haven't even mentioned banks.

Nor the fact that I haven't been scammed out of a penny since about the first year of my 25+ year poker life.

If you loan/stake/bet off the table in this biz, you're doing so because YOU expect to profit. OP was feeding a fish. Others want to be liked, respected, thought of as "one of the guys," whatever. It's all pathetic, and none of the victims should blame anyone but themselves.

The foreclosure victims of the upright contributing-to-society banks, otoh? They were pure prey.

It isn't that poker players are scummy. It's that some of you were previously naive about human nature when it comes to money, which means you're fish in the business world.

I have to think that all the guys bitching about poker players here, when you walk out of used car lot, and the salesman is grinning and you think he sure is a swell guy who really "contributes to society", that you're just dumb enough to think you didn't get scammed.

Now go back to selling overpriced homes to people who can't afford them, but you don't care because you're in it for the commission. Or to giving passing grades to the kids in your algebra class who can't even spell "math" because you suck at your teaching job but need the paycheck, or to getting charges dropped against your legal clients even though you know full well they're guilty, or on and on and on ...

+1

And you didnt' even mention lawyers. Anytime somebody commits a horrible crime there is some lawyer there ready to get paid to try and find loopholes and BS to get them off. It's sickening.

Just as there are expensive lawyers making big money defending the people who stole our FTP funds.

And +1 about car salesmen. And car mechanics. They aree just sharks exploiting fish in the same way as poker players are.

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03-04-2012 , 02:34 PM

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dewayne

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buying and trading/betting on fantasy characters. EDog prolly had Ned Stark at the beginning of last season of GoT

Yeah, He lost his head on that one.

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03-04-2012 , 02:36 PM

#303

KJoff

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Originally Posted by MrBump

WAT ?

Pokerstars did a survey asking what people thought of EL ? Were there questions on anyone else ? More info about this survey ?

Please don't tell me Pokerstars is thinking about signing up the FTP "pros"

WTF

Daniel Negreanu & Erick Lindgren are BFFs.
Of course they will sign E-Dog, we all know what kind of influence DN has at Pokerstars.
And I bet my ass that this time Mr.Hypocrite DN will not come out with a v-blog calling on people to collect their money from Erick with a baseballbat...
Oh the irony...

SO MR."I HAVE AN OPINION ON EVERYTHING" NEGREANU WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS SITUATION?
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR BEST BUDDY STIFFING MEMBERS OF THE POKERCOMMUNITY OUT OF THEIR MONEY?

WHERE ARE YOU NOW YOU SELF-PROCLAIMED CONSCIENCE OF THE POKERWORLD?

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03-04-2012 , 02:52 PM

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Stinky Stu

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Originally Posted by KJoff

SO MR."I HAVE AN OPINION ON EVERYTHING" NEGREANU WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS SITUATION?
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR BEST BUDDY STIFFING MEMBERS OF THE POKERCOMMUNITY OUT OF THEIR MONEY?

WHERE ARE YOU NOW YOU SELF-PROCLAIMED CONSCIENCE OF THE POKERWORLD?

I have to agree with this. DN has nothing to do with FTP and his ranting about stuff we already know months after the fact just makes him look full of himself.

Now his buddy is nickel-and-diming the poker community and he's silent.

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03-04-2012 , 02:57 PM

#305

tarheelbluez

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anyone link this to his twitter yet?

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03-04-2012 , 03:01 PM

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Masq

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Originally Posted by dewayne

buying and trading/betting on fantasy characters. EDog prolly had Ned Stark at the beginning of last season of GoT

Yeah, He lost his head on that one.

I still don't get what this fantasy league stuff's about.

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03-04-2012 , 03:04 PM

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sumey

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Originally Posted by Bluffzorz

Daniel is good friend with Erick so he'll keep his mouth shut on this. Actually it's pretty hypocritical but it's what will happen.

DN talks crap on people but when it's someone like Barry or Erick he doesn't say anything.

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Originally Posted by moki

Yeah, what a hypocrite for not badmouthing his friends.

fixed that for you moki - that's exactly what bluffzorz was saying wasn't it?

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03-04-2012 , 03:11 PM

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Leedslad

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i dont get why people risk cred or look to welch and steal on bets for so little money. EL should feel honour bound to get this sorted and pay what he owes asap all for a few big blinds. Stories like this coming out will cost him an huge amount more in $ev in the long run. Stoopid and shameful imo.

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03-04-2012 , 03:18 PM

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Jewboy420

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Originally Posted by Masq

I still don't get what this fantasy league stuff's about.

You have a team and draft players for a particular sport. Then your team plays other teams in said sport.

In basketball they have catagories to attain.

In football it is overall points per week(whereas in basketball that is just 1 of 7 categories for the week).

Anyways, you hope you pick good players, or make good trades and have a good team.

Does everyone now understand how fantasy sports work?

Its not rocket appliances people!

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03-04-2012 , 03:20 PM

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fizresh

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Originally Posted by pokerbeastsu

I got in trouble for doing this before on here, but I don't care. MODS this is PUBLIC RECORD and for scum bag deadbeats 2+2 should know what type of scums these people are.

As you can see Lindgren owes the IRS $2,358,995 for 2011 and $1,223,296 for 2010 AND further his house is only worth about $331,557 and finally it looks like he has defaulted on his mortgage at least once. To which I say, why doesn't this moron file bankruptcy??? WHAT A SCAB!!!

wow

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03-04-2012 , 03:22 PM

#311

arrtvandelay

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When did Negreanu become a newspaper? He doesn't need to be impartial at all. He is not publicly defending Lindgren or even avoiding the theme lol, he is just not talking about it. The guy makes three video blog entries and you want him to go on and badmouth everyone in the pokerworld that deserves to be badmouthed, just because he did it against the FTP crooks? What kind of standards are those? Sounds a LOT like some people ITT are just DN haters. No point in bringing the guy into this in the first place.

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03-04-2012 , 03:24 PM

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kolotoure

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DN does seem to have appointed himself as the arbiter of poker morals so has made a rod for his own back

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03-04-2012 , 03:25 PM

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arrtvandelay

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Originally Posted by kolotoure

DN does seem to have appointed himself as the arbiter of poker morals so has made a rod for his own back

When was that?

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03-04-2012 , 03:27 PM

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kolotoure

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Moralising about the FTP situation and anything Annie Duke does all the time?

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03-04-2012 , 03:27 PM

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sumey

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I don't think anyone is saying he has to be impartial. Some are just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy if he decides to stay quiet.

Let's face it, he has always been very quick to jump down the throats of others when their scumminess was exposed.

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03-04-2012 , 03:32 PM

#316

camlinboy

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Maybe he is going to pay with fantasy money keeping in line with the spirit of the game.

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03-04-2012 , 03:35 PM

#317

tarheelbluez

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I think EL being paid 250k a month from FTP enhances peoples feelings of rage towards his nonchalance stance about paying people what he owes......

Being happy at the WSOP is over for probably every dbag that comes to light involved in FTP

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03-04-2012 , 03:38 PM

#318

arrtvandelay

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Three video blog entries. He also hates Anne Duke since forever afaic. Am I missing something? It really doesn't seem like he is the self-proclaimed ruler of poker morals. He has constantly badmouthed the same people he is badmouthing now. If some folks are now adoring Negreanu for "speaking the truth" or w/e that says nothing about him.

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03-04-2012 , 03:42 PM

#319

Masq

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Originally Posted by Jewboy420

Yeah, I know what fantasy football etc. is. Just "fantasy league" was really vague and someone mentioned Ned Stark (not a clue who that is.) Would have been much clearer if it said "fantasy football/basketball/baseball" etc. Thanks for the explanation though.

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03-04-2012 , 03:44 PM

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Masq

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Originally Posted by sumey

Let's face it, he has always been very quick to jump down the throats of others when their scumminess was exposed.

So long as they're not affiliated with pokerstars.

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03-04-2012 , 03:52 PM

#321

Jewboy420

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Originally Posted by Masq

So long as they're not affiliated with pokerstars.

I think this is the bigger reason, imo of course.

But back to EL not being able to pay off a 2k debt.......

This thread for EL, maybe DN will make a new thread in time, maybe not.

I hope he will, but you know......he probably won't.

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03-04-2012 , 04:16 PM

#322

F0rtysxity

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wow... I'm surprised.

I know I shouldn't be, but ignoring the whole 'can't trust anyone with money power sex thing', I just never thought we'd see EL put to the test. I always considered him one of the better live pros out there. MC Hammer, Scott Storch, Terrel Owens, Mike Tyson, Jamie Gold... the list goes on and on.

Let me give props to Robert Varkonyi... he's the only ME winner I see honest and humble enough to sit down and enjoy playing $2-5 at the Borgata or enter a $300 MTT.

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03-04-2012 , 04:19 PM

#323

There Is A Light

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^
Jerry Yang IMO.

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03-04-2012 , 04:23 PM

#324

SneakySteve

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Originally Posted by F0rtysxity

Let me give props to Robert Varkonyi... he's the only ME winner I see honest and humble enough to sit down and enjoy playing $2-5 at the Borgata or enter a $300 MTT.

You really think Varkonyi blew away all his winnings?

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03-04-2012 , 04:33 PM

#325

Jackanory

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Originally Posted by SneakySteve

You really think Varkonyi blew away all his winnings?

he's probably just smart enough to realise that he luckboxed a big tournament and for him to go and play nosebleeds would just be pissing money up the wall in the same fashion as Jamie Gold or countless others, 2/5 is probably where he feels comfortable in terms of skill level.

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