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Old 03-02-2012, 04:59 PM   #1
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Original post is by "$kill game", who states that he is owed $11k from Lindgren from a 2+2 Fantasy League draft. Payment was due about 3 months ago. He also states that "Kaj_Kyle" is owed $50k and "ahh snap" and others are owed as well.

$kill Game reports that Lindgren is claiming to be "cash broke" and is showing no signs of urgency in trying to make his payments.

Outrage at Lindgren and the Full Tilt pros in general follows, also discussion of how "live pros" are so often in debt, the intimation seeming to be that a lot of them just pass debts around.

People are annoyed that Lindgren is playing in the LAPC, in cash games, and is scheduled for more tournaments in the future but is not paying his debts.

"kaj_kyle" comes in to say that "a lot of others are owed $5k-$20k". "Ahh_snap" clarifies that he is actually owed $66k.

Ahh_snap also mentions that in the past Erick has typically paid about 5-6 months late on past debts. Ahh_snap says that he believes Lindgren will eventually pay.

"Admo" claims that Erick often avoids paying for golf bets with the "cash broke" excuse.

"bruck", who claims to be the commissioner of "3 dimes league", comes in to say that Erick also owes him and many more money and that while not paying promptly he has a track record of 5 years of league play where he eventually has paid his debts.

People discuss how he used to get somewhere around $250k a month from Full Tilt but was degen and didn't save much of his multiple millions and that now since the Full Tilt money isn't coming in this time could be different and that he is less likely to pay now than in the past.

"Interpleader" posts this history of emails (Interp in black, Erick in blue font) where Erick seems to be avoiding paying a paltry $2800:



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Convo

Jan 11

Hey Man,

We had a sidebet in the $5,000 ppr. You owe me $2,800. I tried to use your email you had listed, but that didn't work.

best,
XXXX

Jan 11

hey XXXX what was team name?


Jan 11

Hey Erick,

The team name is XXXX

Do you prefer paypal or a check?

best,
XXXX

Jan 13

Can we work this out and get it finished? I settled up with everyone else weeks ago.

Thanks,
XXXX

Jan 17

i'm not trying to be difficult, but I am owed money and I would like it. The season was over a while ago. I don't really want to make this a painful process. We aren't talking about a lot of money here...

Jan 17

I apologize for the delay, holidays and now moving has tied me up timewise and cashwise. I will have it out to you as soon as i can, no later than next week.

Erick


Jan 17

Thanks

Jan 26

Hey, was this check sent out? Thanks, XXXX

Jan 30

I'm getting pretty impatient over this. $2,800....

I really don't want to make a big deal out this....

Jan 31

Sorry family was in town. Will get a check out to you tomorrow.


Feb 6


Just got back in town sorry. It went out today.


Feb 13

uh, i dont think it went out. Haven't gotten it.

Feb 15

This is my last polite request for a check for the money that I was owed 2 months ago. Paypal is fine as well.

Thanks,
XXXX

Feb 22

Hey Man,

I have been really patient and really nice. I'll give you until the end of the week to get my money or I'm sending an email our with our conversations to every poker player I know, posting on 2+2 and possibly hiring a lawyer.

Feb 24

Hey man just seeing your emails, sorry have been insanely busy with 3 month old, moving and getting back to playing. You have every right to do whatever you would like but i do promise I can get a check in the mail by tomorrow. I am in LA but have to go home tonight after poker to take care of some things. Hope that is ok.

Erick


Feb 24

Hey Man,

I have been really patient and really nice. I'll give you until the end of the week to get my money or I'm sending an email our with our conversations to every poker player I know, posting on 2+2 and possibly hiring a lawyer.

XXXX

Feb 24

I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I don't really want to be difficult. I just want a check. If you want to give cash to someone in vegas, that's fine too. Paypal is fine as well.

Feb 27

Was this sent or are you just enjoying your time in LA?

Today

Is this really happening? I'm a fan, been rooting for you for 10 years. I think it's cool to be in a fantasy league with you....and you are going to stiff me on 2k? It's a god damn check you have to mail out.



"klink10k" claims that he has messaged Erick multiple times and that his messages have been ignored (I assume he's one of the people owed money, though he doesn't say how much) and that other members of the league aren't paying their bets either, possibly "because Erick isn't".

"Sea Salt" talks about Erick being a degen and squandering an "income of around $3 million per year" and that he has always had this habit of taking a long time to pay debts, but that people still gave him action because he was so bad at fantasy sports, though others come in to say that he has gotten good at them lately.

When "BT2" asks where Sea Salt heard about Erick getting 250k/month from Full Tilt (hence the "3 million per year" income), "HemmaCuda" claims to have "heard a similar number" through the grape vine.


Cliffs up to date as of March 2nd @ 2:30 PST

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Old 03-02-2012, 05:00 PM   #2
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes Over $100,000 for Fantasy League, Won't Pay

Oh here we go again
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:03 PM   #3
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cliffs: EL is busto degen who always takes a while to pay back FF debts. Gives guy in thread the runaround in ridic email exchange.

Cliffs 2: "pros" without FTP money are busto
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:11 PM   #4
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Erik says he's cash broke, even though he's signed up for the Shooting Stars tourney, among other events. Not looking good for Edog at the moment.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:20 PM   #5
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or have his backer loan him $ to settle up.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:22 PM   #6
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes Over $100,000 for Fantasy League, Won't Pay

Thought this post was worth quoting aswell.

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Let me clear up a few items and misconceptions here.

First off, Lindgren is a huge degenerate. He's an Ivey type who doesn't feel satisfied with life unless he has every last dime in action some way. The prop bets you read about are just the tip of the iceberg with him. He's not necessarily a bad person or a scammer, but is just a sick gambler and is terrible with money.

Also similar to Ivey, Lindgren was getting by thanks to his high monthly distribution from Full Tilt. He wasn't getting Ivey/Lederer money, but he was getting a lot - I think something around $250k per month.

Despite this amazing income of around $3 million per year, Lindgren was always cash poor and struggled to pay his gambling debts. This has gone on for years.

I had a close personal friend who was owed 5 figures by Lindren about 4 years ago. Like the posters in this thread, it was from a high stakes fantasy league. The stories I'm reading here are all too familiar. The ignoring of messages. The false promises. The lack of urgency. The stalling. The eventual indignant attitude when you call him out. Everything you see happening now has occurred with him before.

So how does he keep getting fantasy action?

Because he's a fantasy donk. Much of this comes from his neglect of his fantasy teams. Everyone loves playing with him because it's like free money; if you can collect, that is!

After the terrible hassle my friend had with him, Lindgren finally paid up about 9 months late (after tons of broken promises and a lot of attitude.) I said to my friend, "Well, thank goodness that nightmare is over! You've obviously learned your lesson about playing in fantasy leagues with Erick Lindgren!"

Shockingly, my friend replied, "Oh no, I'll play with him again. It's free money. He always pays. You just have to be patient and lean on him for awhile."

People in this thread asked why people didn't get Lindgren to pay up front, and escrow the money with a trusted third party. It doesn't work that way. Just like poker, the huge fish often sets the rules of the game. If you tell Lindgren he has to pay up front to play in your fantasy league, he simply won't play. Your choice is to either play under his terms and hope you eventually get paid, or pass up his dead fantasy money. Most people chose the former.

Of course, now the Full Tilt gravy train has been derailed. This greatly changes things. Prior to April, 2011, Erick would (and did) pay his debts, provided you aggressively (but not TOO aggressively) prodded him. All it took was him having a good gambling month, and with $250k rolling in every 30 days, he had a lot of shots to run up the money. Now Erick is broke and has no income. He won't have any income. I think you can probably kiss any money he owes you goodbye, unless he binks a big tournament.

For those wondering how he can play the LAPC Main Event or semi-high-stakes NL cash games, it's most likely not his money. Erick is still both a good poker player and an A-list poker name. I'm sure he has no problem getting staked.

Even if he's not staked (which I believe he is), if he's down to his last, say, 50k, but owes $1 million combined to various people, he can't give you his last 50k. I mean, he can, but he won't. He sees that case money as his ammo to get himself out of the hole. I can totally feel for you guys being pissed when you see him entering $10k events while owing you $2800 and dodging you for months. Unfortunately, he probably owes 20 other guys the same $2800, plus many others a lot more, and you are no one special. You don't deserve to get paid ahead of anyone else.

With all of that said, while I'm sure some people were misled about Lindgren's financial status, a lot of the people crying foul knew very well what they were dealing with. They let Lindgren play fantasy on credit because he sucked at it, knowing full well that getting him to pay might be tough. You took a calculated risk and lost. This doesn't excuse Erick's actions, but most people in his fantasy leagues knew exactly what they were signing up for. The ones I truly feel sorry for are the ones who honestly didn't know, and thought Lindgren was solid as the Rock of Gibraltar.

The big Full Tilt distributions really ruined some people. Lindgren and Ivey are the first ones that come to mind. They developed some terrible gambling and money management habits, figuring that large sums of money would continue rolling in forever. Now theyr'e like addicts suffering from major withdrawal.
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Re: Erick Lindgren Owes Over $100,000 for Fantasy League, Won't Pay

Why does anyone believe that anyone in poker can be trusted?
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Why does anyone believe that anyone in poker can be trusted?
Probably because most people see themselves as trustworthy.
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Isn't Lindgren the guy who yelled at Dane Cook that he had more money than him?
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:19 PM   #12
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sad, but so THIS^
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Poker Pro ≠ Financially Secure.

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When will this ever end?
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