This is pretty true although I'm sure Daniel is a bit better with his money than Erick ever was. While I do remember hearing rumors of Daniel taking a while to pay back big golf losses back when he was running poorly in tournaments and before he got the stars deal, I've never heard of him making/losing ridiculous huge prop bets or blowing tons of money on sports betting/the pit like a lot of the other degenerates.

Daniel has actually seemed to try to stay on top of the game as well as diversify a bit (although somewhat unsuccessfully). Erick is just a sick degen. There was a rumor that he had borrowed 5m from Jesus to pay off sportsbetting losses back in the day and that Jesus was getting a good chunk of his 250k every month. Pretty sure Jesus showed up to collect a good portion (possibly all) of Erick's 100k win in Australia in 2007.

I wonder how much will this thread hurt Lindgren's chances of getting a PS deal...

just take any community n just imagine if u take any profession out of that community n c how its gonna effect ur day to day activities n u can c what effect that community gonna have if u wipe out poker players from that

Apparently this happened in your community...

Which would be a bit ironic in a way. OP's efforts to collect his debt from EL might cost EL a job that would have allowed him to pay his fantasy sports debts off.

oh my

always taking all our money

nsfw i guess


patrik "he should work in a macdonald's"

Second time I've clicking a still image ITT expecting it to play a video.

level? It is a video

lol it showed even though I didn't click "show," but I had to click "show" to play it.

See, now, Arthur Nadel had a job that contributed to society in a meaningful way.

LOL at Patrick. Cue the photoshops with Lindgren working at maccas.

I'm totally going to talk about this issue in a detailed vlog. I already edited this weeks which focuses on Epic Poker, but my next one will cover borrowing and loaning etiquette in the poker world.

so necessary. should be cool

edit:
i actually think daniel has a lot of potential to write some good content (perhaps an e-book) about how to be a professional poker player. going over the basics like staking/loans/debts/recreational gambling as well as proper etiquette on internet forums and tables.

at this point theres quite a bit of material about strategy, but no one ever writes about things that, at this point, are much more important than your actual playing skill.

a lot of 2p2ers are solely internet players, who have never needed to interact with others to help their bottom line. we're also generally pretty young and inexperienced in business deals.

why do you think daniel is the most recognizable player in the world (or top 3)? why do you think he gets invited to all the best cash games and televised events? it's not because he's the best player in the world. he's an entertaining personality and has a reputation of being a fun and fair gambler.

/fanboi

Did you buy a new HD camera for your upcoming video blogs?

Hey Daniel, do you bet sports? how long does it take you to pay when you lose? how about borrowing? how long does it take you to pay it back? txs for posting

I mean it shows alot daniel showing up this in this thread, but what do you what him to say , yah my friend is a broke degen player, but every poker player has a friend who's owes someone money , I just wonder if daniel would ever loan edog the money to pay of theese debts, and how daniel feels about the term " cash broke " ?

DN: did you know the (alleged) depths of Erick's degen sportsbetting and how much he owed around town?

Did you ever try to talk to him about it?

Have you talked to him about it since this all broke in the last week?

How do we know this is you and not your hacker?

Very nice!

Any chance you can weigh in on whether you think Duke and Hellmuth should feel responsible to pay back all of the money they made from UB while telling players it was all good to play for a crooked company they repped and most likely owned major shares of?

Yes, but I screwed up the edit pretty bad this week trying to do too much. Took me 12 hours to publish an 8 second clip!

I have a ton to say about this topic, mainly focusing on the key cultural differences between the newer generation vs the old. It isnt a commentary on what's better, simply explaining the difference. For example, I couldn't count on both hands and feet the number of times I've played in a cash game with someone who owes me say, $20k, has $27k in front of them, and the thought of collecting didn't cross my mind. Didn't really effect friendships, didn't bother me too much, I just rooted for them to get back on their feet so that they'd eventually be in a spot where they could afford to pay me back and still keep a working bankroll.

Poker world has changed a lot. Again, not saying for better or worse, just the expectations are totally different. A lot of the younger guys "get it," I'd say most actually, at least the ones who play higher.

I lost some money to Mercier last year on side bets. it was technically due January 1st. I hung out with him at PCA where I didn't wire money, and I then wired 300k to Aussie for tourneys. I didn't pay him till about last week. He never made a big deal out of it. I wasn't "slow paying" or stiffing him, just figured I'd take care of it when I saw him and had the money handy.No big deal.

I'll go into way more detail in my blog, but I definitely think Edog made loads of mistakes and was out of line expecting a stranger to conform to a culture he wasn't either part of, or aware of.

Man, we're all getting old. Daniel I've known since he was 19 or 20, same with Evelyn, and Daniel looks like an old man there.

I know Erick too. Really sad to hear this. I really want to comment some more, but it's probably not a good idea to.

Duration a person who owes money = Level of trust you have for that person

Thanks for coming in Daniel. As is usually the case you're not one to shy away from explosive topics as they pertain to the poker community.

We look forward to your upcoming video blog and hope it addresses the concerns presented by people in this thread.

I think you probably have a valid point overall, although I really doubt that the "say the checks in the mail when it really isn't" level of deception has ever been considered standard or okay.

So is the IRS part of the newer generation or older generation?