Some people get off watching porn, others by seeing their name on the interwebz. Each to their own.

P.S. AK, my user name could be for sale if the price is right. I was thinking maybe two food vouchers. You would need to register/unregister three times today instead of once. Let me know if interested.

Stiff competition?

How many thousand people are at the Rio every day?

AAD is serving fewer than 166 meals per day ("Nearly $500 in fees at $3 per delivery." $500 ÷ $3 = 166 meals.)

Ty Stewart said it's a "handful" of meals per day and they "want him to continue his service" "he's creating a nice little business...and my hat's off to an entrepreneur."

He talks about it at 16:30 of the video...




Again, kevmath never stated that Caesars was fully paying any fees. He misquoted (slightly) Ty Stewart from his interview with Quadjacks. I'm sure the misunderstanding came when Stewart said they wanted to make sure the fee wasn't passed on to the players (I also assumed Caesars was going to pick up the fee when I heard that.)

Doublejoker started the thread yesterday at 09:00 PM, with subsequent posts at 11:11 PM, 01:47 AM, 01:58 AM, 02:04 AM.

My posts were at 10:21 PM, 11:22 PM, 12:06 AM, 01:04 AM and finally 02:08 AM.

I looked at doublejoker's status during this time because of this line "This thread will be locked so get your responses in fast."

He wasn't banned.

^ Just listened to the Ty Stewart interview again. That was my impression of what Caesars/WSOP would do regarding All American Dave. AK started the thread in question several days later, because IMO this topic had already been discussed elsewhere.

Kessler starts this thread over TEN DAYS after the thread in question was locked. I can only assume he did that because he saw me in the hallway at the Rio and made his wild accusations.

I apologize to Jessica Welman because bringing up her name in regard to this thread was unwarranted.

So if you say I made an incorrect statement or misinterpreted what Ty Stewart said, that pales in comparison to the lies Kessler has stated in this thread:

1. I "sold out" to the WSOP.
2. I "apparently" banned him from 2+2. He then states that whomever banned him was irrelevant, but his tweet only mentions me.

I'll also add that the debate you wanted from your previous thread is happening in this one.

This is bananas.

It's exactly the kind of thread that should have been locked, and the OP should have been banned. Unfortunately, because AK is accusing the mods of unfairly locking his threads and banning him, no one wants to actually lock/ban for fear of appearing vindictive and giving him more ammunition. ("See? SEE?! They're out to get me!")

So the rest of us are stuck with a stupid, offensive ****ing thread that serves no purpose other than to give AK a megaphone and an audience for his insults and baseless accusations.

Someone please pull the trigger. Lock this crap and give AK a well-deserved temp-ban. If you want you can make me a mod for fifteen minutes and I'll do it myself. The mods don't deserve this kind of public abuse, and I'll happily be the target of AK's vitriol for a while if it gives them a respite.

+1

Most important tournament series of the year going on, that little thing called WSOP, and this thread is still active?

First of all, Caesars is a private business, what they do and how they charge outside businesses for the **privilege** of doing business on their property is their prerogative. They are under no obligation to let AAD or any other service operate on their property or give any business favorable terms or terms at all. This is concept is called private property rights and capitalism.

Kevmath's assertion about Caesars handling the situation based on the information he had at the time seems to have been entirely reasonable. Plus the guy works hard for the community in general, the fact that he has been smeared by an attention whoring troll is tilting.

Seriously, how do mods on this site not pull their collective hair out when dealing with super trolls? Such a waste of time.

When kevmath said that Rio was picking up the costs of fees what was his source on this. No one from Caesars entertainment ever made any statement other than that they would work with him so fees wouldn't be passed onto players.

+2 on the lock and ban.

Or, everyone can just calm down and move on.

Wow, I just don't know how many ways to say it - are you really this incapable of seeing things from anyone else's point of view? You answered your question yourself. They said they would work with AAD so fees wouldn't be passed on. Is it really so hard for you to believe that when Kevmath posts about it a few days later, he might have misremembered that as them picking up the fees? Them picking up the fees would indeed be a way to make sure the fees wouldn't be passed on; the only issue is that it's not the only way.

I'm sure many people will be happy to as soon as AK stops trying to insinuate Kevmath has ulterior motives when he knows nothing of the sort.

Does anyone notice kevmaths conspicuous absence from this thread. Ever since he misquoted himself in this thread when he said he closed the first thread because a compromise was reached, we haven't head a peep.

His actual reason for closing the first thread was that according to him, rio agreed to pay all costs and the issue was settled.

Seriously? This is something like 8 posts up from yours:

Hi. Long time lurker, 3rd or 4th time poster.

I can't even fathom how astoundingly offensive this thread is, not only to someone who knows a thing or two on correct quote attribution, but to someone with a basic degree of economic knowledge.

Going on a long diatribe where I echo the sentiments in support of Mr. Mathers would be rather pointless. Yes, it's ridiculous that "Chainsaw" is leveling the kind of completely unfounded charges against him, but what more is there to say? At worst, KevMath is guilty of a minor misunderstanding of the situation (not that that even seems to be the case here). The fact is that what he does is reporting, often very well, and sometimes these things happen. Were Allen Kessler to ever actually do something like pick up a newspaper, professional journal, or really any sort of reporter-based publication, he'd know that this isn't all too uncommon an occurrence, nor is it generally a particularly egregious one--in particular in this case seeing as the situation appears to have changed *after* KevMath's initial reporting on said situation. Being mad at him for this, Allen, is like being mad at a doctor for overestimating the possible benefits of a new medical procedure. If anything, that example still is far more egregious than anything KevMath did.

But let's move on from that.

I find it astounding that you're insistent on fighting a battle that nobody really asked you to fight in the first place. AAD had a minor dispute with Caesar's. The two sides worked out an agreement which---and please make sure this point sticks in your head---both parties are obviously okay with. Now, over a week after the fact, you're trying to fight on behalf of AAD, despite the fact that AAD obviously sees the situation as resolved, or at the very least, is okay enough with the end result that nobody has heard from him as of my writing this right now. (I guess if we hear from him later though, you can throw me in the same boat as KevMath. Frankly, I'd be honored.)

That's not even the most offensive part though, Allen. The most offensive part is that you seem to have a total disregard for some very basic principles of economics. I'm going to give you a chance to appear as less of a mouth breather though; all you'll need to do is answer some simple questions. I'm even going to help point you in the right direction by elaborating on said questions.

1. Why should AAD not have to pay a per meal fee for his Rio services?

What I mean by this is: Why should AAD be above all the other vendors in the Rio? He had the option available to pay a vendor fee and declined. I'll not hear any arguments about McDonald's or KFC either. They aren't being charged a fee if their food is brought into the casino, but they aren't trying to directly compete with the Rio or its vendors. Your entire argument thus far has been that AAD should somehow be above the Rio's own rules on food vendors. I think we'd all like a coherent justification as to why.

2. Why should the Rio not protect its own financial interests, as well as that of their vendors?

Again, your current positions on the issue show an acute and astounding lack of economic knowledge. Caesar's has absolutely no financial stake in AAD. They do, however, have a financial stake in the vendors. If they didn't think vendors were a positive investment, they wouldn't allow them on the grounds at all. As soon as those vendors purchase spaces, Caesar's now has a vested financial interest in them. Why? Because there's a better chance they'll return and pay more fees next year if they're protected. Why should Caesar's play with a different, more lenient set of rules with AAD when they have even less of a reason to do so? Again, I think we'd all enjoy a logical, coherent response on the matter.

3. Finally, why the continued insistence the KevMath has some sort of hidden agenda?

I'll begin by pointing out that I really have no dog in this fight. The reality is that I'm a pretty good player who can't justify risking his other obligations to people to jump into a life of full-time grinding. I'd love to, but I can't. As such, my connection the the greater "poker community" is peripheral at best. I don't know Mr. Mathers, and probably never will. That being said, even a first year English major could see that you're stretching your knowledge to limits that are impossible to defend with any sort of factual base. If he had an agenda, why aren't you banned yet? (As of now, your user level still reads poo-bah, a level I will achieve sometime in the year 3535.)

If he has an agenda, why isn't he out there defending the WSOP against all the other accusations made against it?

Please put forth any real, concrete evidence you have. I, for one, would be intrigued.

Thank you.

(Sorry to the rest of the 2+2ers for how long this ran. I just got excited with doing my little part to add to this lasting testimony to Kessler's insatiable desire to make baseless and needless complaints about everything.)

If I start an MP thread selling percentages of a chainsaw vs kevmode debate I think I could make a fortune

Not taking sides here at all - but the change in the thread title from what the OP made it is seriously bad form. The title has been deliberately changed to make the OP look bad - worse than a temp ban imo. Mods gorna mod I guess.