Originally Posted by doublejoker

It's a joke people started years ago saying that I registered for every event then unregistered to get the food voucher. All registrations are clearly documented in the Rio system. I've probably played 100 events in the past 4 or 5 years and unregistered once or twice due to scheduling conflicts. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

Originally Posted by Daliman

Well, I have corroborations from a few people who know you that you did this, and/or at a minimum were very excited about the implications. I will have to ask my one particular source if I can name him and get more specific about details.

Mind you, I'm a huge comp nit myself, and respect your skills in that arena greatly.

Originally Posted by robhimself

This year the point is moot, you can get tons of comp vouchers from the floormen so easily in the cash section without even being in a game.

Originally Posted by doublejoker

Someone banned me for a period of a few hours after the thread was created. Whether or not kevmath did it directly is irrelevant.

The fact is he closed a worthwhile thread and gave a false reason for doing so, then tried to sidestep that in this thread

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

No, you don't get it. The fee reduction (or stop delivery) WAS THE RESOLUTION! It was resolved!

And AAD chose to pay the fee. Now, you can disagree with the Rio's decision here (or Dave's, I guess), but the business wasn't in jeopardy, and closing the thread didn't make anything harder for AAD.

For the record, I think the Rio is well within their right to disallow someone else from selling or delivering food on the premises. They don't stop players from bringing in snacks, but as others have said, they would never allow a non-Rio vendor to sell food on within their business.

The Rio and Dave reached a solution. Then for some reason you decided that a 2p2 thread, which had zero bearing on the actual business between the Rio and Dave, getting closed was a conspiracy and that you were going to charge to the rescue, only to find the castle was already empty and you trampled all the gardens on the way in.

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I believe you couldn't get into your account.

However, if you didn't receive a ban notification, I don't believe it was because of a ban. And I certainly don't believe Kev banned you then lied about it; I think he would have cheerfully admitted he had banned you had he done so.

The fact that you don't have an email or PM leads me to believe there was some sort of glitch. Odd coincidence it happened right when you were trying to railroad an innocent man. Maybe the universe was trying to save you from yourself.

Or maybe you were banned, but then you have to accept there was a system glitch that prevented you from getting your ban notification either way. So there was a system glitch - either the email/PM ban notification or your cell phone/reception. I bet I can guess which one you believe it is, but the fact remains you have no proof that you were banned. You have proof you couldn't get into 2p2. Not the same thing.

Originally Posted by gobbo

I am joyously waiting for the day to ban you, Allen, so to jeopardize that by banning you prematurely and getting my mod status taken away would be a grievous error.

I lost some serious respect for you in this thread. Why the **** are you blowing this tiny thing way out of proportion? Kev has to lock a million pointless threads constantly because he's awesome and it's his job, if everyone threw a fit like you if one of their threads got closed this forum would be nothing but threads like these.

Thank your lucky stars you have a voice in the poker community. If your SN were iveyfan6969 you would've been obliterated years ago.

Originally Posted by pius36

im not a fan of kessler. guy gets caught smoking pot in his car and kessler right away running to 2p2 to tell everyone. ban him imo

Originally Posted by doublejoker

I probably shouldnt have accused kevmath of selling out, but at the time, the evidence seemed compelling.

I had started the original thread about the rio wanting a $5 surcharge per meal delivered by all American Dave. There were pages of support for Dave and his healthy food options for players. I was approached at the wsop by a former colleague of kevmaths at bluff who now works for the wsop. They thought the thread cast a bad light on Caesars entertainment and argued that they had a right to charge dave a fee, since he was affecting food sales at rio.

We argued on whether sending someone to McDonald's to bring back food, or ordering a pizza from a local venue violated the culinary unions.

A short time later, kevmath closed the thread, and reported the false information that the issue was resolved and that Caesars entertainment was picking up all of the fees.

If he just decided to report the false information and lock the the thread on his own, then I apologize for assuming he was influenced in any way by his association with this wsop staff member. At the time it just seemed to be the only logical explanation.

It's easy to see how I came to my conclusions and I apologize if he just randomly decided to do this on his own.


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Originally Posted by A_Schupick

Even in your apology you are self-serving and arrogant, impressive.

Originally Posted by Kevmath

I decided to give AK the finger as I was walking past the hallway during his "interview" with Quad Jacks.

Considering he lied about me "selling out" to the WSOP, banning him from 2+2, etc. I chose an option that meant not being banned from the Rio or lose my job. If you were offended by that gesture Allen, then go **** yourself.

Originally Posted by doublejoker

Here are the cliffs. All American Dave has been delivering healthy food to players at the wsop for a few years now.

The food is prepared elsewhere and delivered in paper bags to players.

This year, the Rio decided that his delivering of food violated a culinary union policy, and implemented a $5 surcharge per meal delivered.

I thought this was unreasonable, and started a thread to support Dave and bring the issue to light.

There was tremendous support in the thread for Dave.

That day, a wsop employee, who formerly worked closely with kevmath at bluff, approached me about the thread and explained their view that even delivering food affects the Rio food service workers.

We argued on whether or not someone bringing in their own food, or having someone bring them outside food violated the union policies.

A short time later kevmath locked the thread, stating that Caesars was fully paying any fees and that the issue was closed.

This assertion was totally false. Caesars never agreed to pay the entire fees, and are still charging Dave about $500 a day to deliver food.

I approached kevmath about this issue and asked him why he locked a thread that was worthwhile, when the issue was never resolved. I told him that I assumed that the wsop employee I spoke with asked him to lock the thread.

Yesterday I learned the exact amount that Dave was still paying and was outraged at kevmaths actions in the whole situation and started this thread.

He locked a worthwhile thread, gave a false reason for doing so, and put someone's entire business in jeopardy.

I was banned for a period of a few hours, then unbanned, then the title of the thread was changed.

These are the cliffs although rather long.

Originally Posted by doublejoker

Problem is Ty Stewart never said anything close to what kevmath gave as the reason for closing the thread.

Originally Posted by doublejoker

Kevmath had his own agenda and reported something that was never stated by anyone when he closed the first thread.

Originally Posted by sajeffe

Kessler and Mathers both need to mature a bit.

That is all.