[1:51:12 PM] Sebastian Worm: [Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:43 PM] Sebastian Worm:
<<< no he was sweating me
had been playing rush for a long time and just started to play regular tables at that point, so forgot everything about being careful - Some guy (pynero) sits down at one or two of my tables, plays really fishy etc. He starts to ask about hu (omg so obvious, damn i was stupid) well i accept, and I play him at 4 tables I think, and I was really suspiscious a bit in the session.
played almost 1k hands
17% WTSD, 25% W$SD or something like that
I obviously posted this in the 6m mod group and we all agreed that it was really wierd, and we almost kicked him from the grp - The problem was that there were like 4-5 guys sweating me.
Pynero I played was from australia (check PTR)
Some time after this happened, about a month... I was doing asweat session with matthew(sectral), and Costello wanted in... Pynero sits down after 5min.
He left the group short after this I think, so didn't think too much about it and I was kinda having a break from poker at that time - I do feel ashamed for not doing more about this.
[2:02:35 PM] Sebastian Worm: there seems to be some evidence that someone from the group is ghosting sessions under the sn 'pynero'
[28/05/2011 20:24:01] Toby: where? when? who?
[28/05/2011 20:24:22 | Edited 20:25:02] mcfals02 (steven): first vs seb for 10bi
[28/05/2011 20:24:26 | Edited 20:24:38] mcfals02 (steven): couple of weeks ago
[28/05/2011 20:24:49] Toby: what site?
[28/05/2011 20:24:50 | Edited 20:25:23] mcfals02 (steven): and then just then vs devin and i remembered the sn and told him to cut off the stream
[28/05/2011 20:25:09] Toby: did they mention or did you notice?
[28/05/2011 20:25:12] Toby: and why do you think so?
[28/05/2011 20:25:38] mcfals02 (steven): but not before he had taken him for a bit
[28/05/2011 20:26:01] Sebastian Worm: I ran 38% W$SD and 17% WTSD in a 3-4table hu match at nl100 vs a aggro fish
[28/05/2011 20:26:11] Sebastian Worm: over 1.2k hands
[28/05/2011 20:26:44] Toby: so why do you think so?
[28/05/2011 20:27:44] Sebastian Worm: I posted mikogo details public in the grp... Didnt think much of it because thats what I had done for a while (playing rush) - but this time I was actually playing regular tables
[28/05/2011 20:28:01] Sebastian Worm: suddenly this guy "pynero" sits down and asks for HU at one of my tables
[28/05/2011 20:28:25] mcfals02 (steven): i cant remember what gave the idea from the first session
[28/05/2011 20:28:48] mcfals02 (steven): but i was watching devin and then remember the sn after theyd been playing for a while
[28/05/2011 20:29:06] Toby: does mikogo record a log of the connection details?
[28/05/2011 20:29:26] mcfals02 (steven): fishy stuff like, the account has only 10k tracked hands, but manages to stumble into a HU session with two of our group whilst theyre playing on stream
[28/05/2011 20:29:39] mcfals02 (steven): and that seb was playing 6m and got asked for HU
[28/05/2011 20:29:47] Sebastian Worm: he seems pretty fishy so I couldnt resist playing 4tables nl100 v him
[28/05/2011 20:29:58] Toby: feel really bad for u
[28/05/2011 20:30:11] Toby: we need to go through the group and get people to verify their ft screename
[28/05/2011 20:30:27] Toby: starting with all the aussie people we know
[28/05/2011 20:30:56] mcfals02 (steven): i know some of the people from sebs sweat but because it was public dont have the entire list
[28/05/2011 20:31:17] Sebastian Worm: 17,5% WTSD - 35,5% W$SD - 1075 hands, -10 bi
[28/05/2011 20:31:36] Sebastian Worm: the largest amount I won was 22bb ^^
[28/05/2011 20:31:50] Toby: well thats a good list to start
[28/05/2011 20:31:55] Toby: any aussies you know too
[28/05/2011 20:32:27] Toby: hes from brisbane to be more specific
[28/05/2011 20:32:27] Toby: male
[28/05/2011 20:33:09] Toby: just searched the main poker sites to see if a screename has been mentione dbut nothing
[28/05/2011 20:34:08] mcfals02 (steven): how you getting brisbane
[28/05/2011 20:34:18] Toby: just google
[28/05/2011 20:34:30] Toby: lost the site now
[28/05/2011 20:34:38] Toby: pocket fives i think
[28/05/2011 20:34:47] Toby: http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/pynero/
[28/05/2011 20:35:08] mcfals02 (steven): dokula / ben costello / tank girl were in on sebs sweat
[28/05/2011 20:35:13] mcfals02 (steven): but there were quite a few more i think
[28/05/2011 20:35:59] Toby: he gets rakeback from rakeback pros
[28/05/2011 20:36:02] mcfals02 (steven): in devins, me, matthew (sectral), panthro, ben costello, and i think alex
[28/05/2011 20:36:44] Toby: 99% sure its not sectral or ben because they played hu vs each other and im rly sure their sn werent either
[28/05/2011 20:36:55] Toby: unless they used a friends account
[28/05/2011 20:37:33] mcfals02 (steven): i think its a friends account rather than theirs because of the hands played
[28/05/2011 20:39:39] Toby: i cant find much info
[28/05/2011 20:41:11] Toby: i ****ing hate people
[28/05/2011 20:42:23] Toby: tbh
[28/05/2011 20:43:10] mcfals02 (steven): yea
[28/05/2011 20:44:36] Toby: we need to someone to sit down at some heads up tables and advertise in the group that they want people to sweat. they don't have to play (can just fake a timeout) but wait till the kid sits down and record anyone that connects (use teamviewer as i think you can get the ip address)
[28/05/2011 20:45:14] mcfals02 (steven): im not sure it can be that blatant since they kept playing after devin turned off the stream
[28/05/2011 20:45:18] mcfals02 (steven): at least for a little while
[28/05/2011 20:45:39] mcfals02 (steven): so if they are doing it, theyre at least not being completely obvious
[28/05/2011 20:46:21] Toby: did he play like he knew their hole cards?
[28/05/2011 20:46:47] mcfals02 (steven): hard to tell
[28/05/2011 20:47:02] mcfals02 (steven): very aggro when devin seemingly had nothing
[28/05/2011 20:47:18] Toby: did devin get stacks in good?
[28/05/2011 20:48:01] mcfals02 (steven): didnt get stacks in much that i recall
[28/05/2011 20:48:14] mcfals02 (steven): side note: 25bi under ev since last month, yew
[28/05/2011 20:48:44] Toby: sucks
[28/05/2011 20:48:53] Toby: so what are we going to do?
[28/05/2011 20:51:31] mcfals02 (steven): not sure there is antyhing we can do since no proof
[28/05/2011 20:51:43] Toby: doesnt mean we cant ask everyone to verify their ftp screename
[28/05/2011 20:51:55] Toby: then we send that list to ftp with the original name
[28/05/2011 20:52:02] Toby: get them to cross check ip addresses
[28/05/2011 20:54:24] mcfals02 (steven): im not sure that live sweats wouldnt contravene their ToS
[28/05/2011 20:54:47] Toby: there was a similar case and they blocked the account
[28/05/2011 20:54:48] mcfals02 (steven): and im certainly not going to be the one to get devins / sebs accounts locked
[28/05/2011 20:57:00] mcfals02 (steven): got a link?
[28/05/2011 20:57:10] Toby: im lookin
[28/05/2011 20:57:17] mcfals02 (steven): kk
[28/05/2011 20:59:02] Toby: cant find it
[28/05/2011 20:59:05] Toby: there defo was a case
[28/05/2011 20:59:16] Toby: because its why we stopped doing it in the main chat before
[28/05/2011 21:00:49] Toby: on a side note aparently it violates ftp tos to let people sweat you
[29/05/2011 00:38:22] mcfals02 (steven): [13. marts 2011 14:51] harvie (BG1):
<<< ben were do u live
[29/05/2011 00:38:29] mcfals02 (steven): [13. marts 2011 14:52] Benjamin Costello:
<<< Brisbane, Australia
[29/05/2011 02:41:29] Sebastian Worm: ok thats pretty sick
[29/05/2011 02:42:48] Sebastian Worm: he was watching me while playing that guy... and I was chatting with him the whole session so if he actually was "ghosting" - he did a sick job
[29/05/2011 07:21:34] mcfals02 (steven): well i think its probably a friend of someone (ben / alex maybe) rather than them themselves
[29/05/2011 07:22:07] mcfals02 (steven): theyd just forward on the screen cap by starting teamviewer if you were using miko or vice versa so then they could participate in the sweat without being delayed
[29/05/2011 10:52:28] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: just read through what happened, thats really sick
[29/05/2011 15:00:28] harvie (BG1): [28. maj 2011 20:27] Sebastian Worm:
<<< suddenly this guy "pynero" sits down and asks for HU at one of my tables
can you ask FTP to look into this as its could be classed as cheating
[29/05/2011 15:00:50] harvie (BG1): i would advise to remove your funds from FTP before filing any sort of compalint, as im unsure on FTP rules on "live sweating"
[29/05/2011 15:13:50] mcfals02 (steven): yea ive been thinking about it but im not sure
[29/05/2011 15:14:10] mcfals02 (steven): probably not worth it for devin :/
[29/05/2011 15:14:14] Toby: i tried to get bens screename earlier
[29/05/2011 15:14:21] Toby: but he suddenly dissapeared
[29/05/2011 15:14:43] mcfals02 (steven): i think it breaks the TOS having a coach sweat a student but i dunno if its the same in the reverse way
[29/05/2011 15:15:03] Toby: i read on 2p2 it isnt allowed yesterday
[29/05/2011 15:15:51] mcfals02 (steven): having a student sweat a coach?
[29/05/2011 15:16:11] Toby: having someone watch you when you're playing
[29/05/2011 15:16:16] Toby: it wasnt very specific
[29/05/2011 15:16:23] mcfals02 (steven): mmm
[29/05/2011 15:16:53] Toby: it was a coach from DC that said they were told from the DC founders that you cant do a live video on FTP but other sites you can.
[29/05/2011 15:18:15] harvie (BG1): or contact FTPsean ftpdoug on 2+2 see what they can do
[29/05/2011 15:18:36] Toby: we really need to get people screenames so they can cross check ip addresses at least
[29/05/2011 15:18:49] Toby: and that still isnt certain
[29/05/2011 15:21:25] mcfals02 (steven): what would we cross check ips with
[29/05/2011 15:21:44] Toby: they would check it against the ip address of the account
[29/05/2011 15:22:06] mcfals02 (steven): i think its more likely to be a friend of someone than the person themselves
[29/05/2011 15:22:12] Toby: [29. maj 2011 15:18] Toby:
<<< and that still isnt certain
[29/05/2011 15:22:25] Toby: doesnt mean it isnt worth trying
[29/05/2011 15:22:38] mcfals02 (steven): i was lead to believe that bens sn is bencostello http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...ch/BenCostello
[29/05/2011 15:23:01] Toby: lol
[29/05/2011 15:23:02] mcfals02 (steven): but i dunno
[29/05/2011 15:23:02] Toby: nice grph
[29/05/2011 15:23:59] mcfals02 (steven): id understood he mainly plays plo and ptr hasnt been tracking ftp for quite a while so
[29/05/2011 15:27:42] mcfals02 (steven): ill be back on later
[29/05/2011 15:27:52] mcfals02 (steven): need to sleep for a bit
[29/05/2011 18:53:23] Toby: [29. maj 2011 18:37] Benjamin Costello:
<<< i have a mate who bumhunts 5/10
he's making like 250k a year
playing **** all hands
[29/05/2011 18:54:21] mcfals02 (steven): yea that dont mean ****
[29/05/2011 18:54:51] Toby: yeah but we can find out who it is maybe
[04/06/2011 01:42:48] mcfals02 (steven): muted bencostello for spamming bs in the channel
[04/06/2011 01:42:58] mcfals02 (steven): 12 hr mute
[04/06/2011 01:43:07] mcfals02 (steven): gonna start muting / banning people more often i think
[04/06/2011 01:44:29] mcfals02 (steven): something like
1hr - 6hr - 24hr - kick (day) - ban
[04/06/2011 01:44:52] mcfals02 (steven): i dunno im tired, so if someone wants to unmute bencostello in 6hrs then go ahead but i wont be back till later
[04/06/2011 01:45:43] mcfals02 (steven): just getting annoyed at telling same people over and over
[04/06/2011 01:58:02 | Edited 01:59:02] Sebastian Worm: I haven't seen what ben wrote though... but midasmp comments seemed kinda arrogant
[04/06/2011 01:58:18 | Edited 01:58:32] Sebastian Worm: like he felt that he needed to talk down to someone
[04/06/2011 02:04:54] mcfals02 (steven): theyre friends
[04/06/2011 02:04:59] mcfals02 (steven): theyre just messing about
[04/06/2011 02:05:25] mcfals02 (steven): at least thats how i saw it
[04/06/2011 02:05:30] Sebastian Worm: oh ok :P
[07/06/2011 00:36:44] mcfals02 (steven): so apparently pynero showed up on the tables when seb was running a live sweat again
[07/06/2011 00:51:22] mcfals02 (steven): [7. juni 2011 00:49] Sebastian Worm:
<<< I had matt watching and Ben was joining and 30sec after he got on the stream - pynero sat down on one of my empty tables and i said "no hu" didnt wanna seem to obvious about it... and he said "no hu, ill leave", "gl" and left again
5-10min after that either Ben or brody left TV again
[07/06/2011 00:55:05] mcfals02 (steven): so only people in the stream were costello / brody / matt?
[7:54:39 AM] Sebastian Worm - zrofoldsmafaka: yep
[07/06/2011 00:56:44] mcfals02 (steven): people in the chats from sebs old session were Ben, tankgirl and dokula1 were the only ones I noticed who was on the stream most of the time
[07/06/2011 00:56:50] mcfals02 (steven): but there were others because it was posted publically
[07/06/2011 00:57:59] Sebastian Worm: yep... I really feel that it can't be random
[07/06/2011 00:58:40] mcfals02 (steven): devin was me, matt, panthro, ben
[07/06/2011 01:01:32] Sebastian Worm: pynero isnt online atm, and it happened like 40 mins ago
[07/06/2011 01:02:30] mcfals02 (steven): yea
[07/06/2011 01:02:50] mcfals02 (steven): he wasnt online even shortly afterwards because i searched the tables
[07/06/2011 01:06:52] Sebastian Worm: [00:59:56] Sebastian Worm: im in action now for those who wanna sweat
[01:00:29] Benjamin Costello: 200nl 6m seb?
[01:04:12] brody zagar: can i watch?
[01:05:15] Sebastian Worm: yes nl200
[01:06:15] Benjamin Costello: shoot code away
[07/06/2011 01:08:54] Sebastian Worm: [7. juni 2011 00:14] Benjamin Costello:
<<< what hud stats do u use? do u have a skype call going?
no skype call?
[07/06/2011 01:09:41] mcfals02 (steven): why does your profile on skype say auckland, new zealand?
[8:06:12 AM] Benjamin Costello: i spent a year in NZ playing rugby
[8:06:14 AM] Benjamin Costello: haven't changed it
[8:06:30 AM] Benjamin Costello: totally forgot it was like that, haha
[8:06:31 AM] mcfals02 (steven): who'd ya play for
[8:06:41 AM] Benjamin Costello: U20's Cantebury Crusaders
[8:06:47 AM] Benjamin Costello: wrecked my shoulder
[8:06:50 AM] Benjamin Costello: and can't play rugby again
[07/06/2011 01:09:56] mcfals02 (steven): so at least had a reason for the location being different to where he lives
[07/06/2011 01:11:57 | Edited 01:12:18] Sebastian Worm: yep... we also had a long chat the first time I played against pynero - unfortunately I cant get it in here because I've installed win7 since then.
He was asking about the different hands and saying stuff like how he thinks that I should adjust to pyneros playstyle etc.
[07/06/2011 01:12:31] mcfals02 (steven): thats what you'd expect someone to do tho right
[07/06/2011 01:12:47] Sebastian Worm: yeah thats true
[07/06/2011 01:26:55] mcfals02 (steven): i cant think of a way to prove anything
[07/06/2011 01:27:13] mcfals02 (steven): but i think he probably is
[07/06/2011 01:27:47] mcfals02 (steven): vote to kick or not
[07/06/2011 01:28:02] mcfals02 (steven): or even just comment and ill deal with it later
[07/06/2011 01:32:28] Sebastian Worm: im not sure how to handle it either...
[07/06/2011 16:38:16] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: ben is bencostello on ftp he told me
[07/06/2011 16:38:25] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: u think he has 2 accounts?
[07/06/2011 16:39:28] mcfals02 (steven): i think its a friends account
[07/06/2011 16:39:50] mcfals02 (steven): so he'll start a new session and screen share, or type the hands to his friend
[07/06/2011 16:40:31] mcfals02 (steven): http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...-search/pynero
[07/06/2011 16:40:38] mcfals02 (steven): look at the amount of hands played total
[07/06/2011 16:40:51] mcfals02 (steven): but he has managed to show up to 3 live sweats
[07/06/2011 16:41:05] mcfals02 (steven): once with seb where he sat at 6m then asked for HU then took seb for 10 bi
[07/06/2011 16:41:45] mcfals02 (steven): once vs devin at the end of a review when devin mentioned he was sitting at hu tables waiting for action which was cut short when i remembered the username but still took devin for ~400 playing with 30% 3b
[07/06/2011 16:41:58] mcfals02 (steven): im not sure how he ran vs seb
[07/06/2011 16:42:06] mcfals02 (steven): then in another session with seb when he was running a live sweat
[07/06/2011 16:42:28] mcfals02 (steven): about 30 seconds after ben joined the stream
[07/06/2011 16:42:36] mcfals02 (steven): but seb didnt play with him
[07/06/2011 16:44:07] Toby: if it was pokerstars we would instant tell support since they allow live sweats but ftp aparently dont like it so much
[07/06/2011 16:58:31] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: that sounds real weird
[07/06/2011 16:58:38] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: what is his location? nz?
[07/06/2011 16:59:35] mcfals02 (steven): who
[07/06/2011 16:59:39] mcfals02 (steven): ben? pynero?
[07/06/2011 17:00:23] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: well both, ben is australian i think, if pynero was like croation or something i dont think its likely they are friends
[07/06/2011 17:06:12 | Edited 17:07:35] mcfals02 (steven): pynero is from brisbane aus according to http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/pynero/
and PTR saying he is from aus
[07/06/2011 17:06:17] mcfals02 (steven): ben is from brisbane aus
[07/06/2011 17:09:22] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: wow ok that is def very suspicious
[07/06/2011 17:09:29] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: and i would say it seems super suspicious anyway
[07/06/2011 17:10:11] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: pocketfives is a forum right?\
[07/06/2011 17:11:07] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: is there an easy way to say to ben like 'hey i was on pocketfives and there was a small-stakes player called pynero from brisbane - do u know him?'
[07/06/2011 17:23:05] Toby: watch this
[07/06/2011 17:23:09] mcfals02 (steven): well that'd be pretty obvious
[07/06/2011 17:23:20] Toby: i was just about to typr
[07/06/2011 17:23:34] Toby: "has anyone played pynero, he wants to play some hu but not sure whether hes any good"
[07/06/2011 17:23:54] mcfals02 (steven): thatd be even more obv lol
[07/06/2011 17:25:24] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: hmm yeah i dunno u dont have to make it obv
[07/06/2011 17:25:32] Toby: i guess
[07/06/2011 17:37:39] mcfals02 (steven): you could get him to do a miko session, get him to go into his cashier->history->past transactions
[07/06/2011 17:37:46] mcfals02 (steven): see if there is anything with pynero
[07/06/2011 17:38:32] mcfals02 (steven): i assume hed get a cut, whether or not he gets paid online or in person is a diff story
[07/06/2011 17:38:57] Sebastian Worm: or make him search pynero in HEM
[07/06/2011 17:39:21] Sebastian Worm: but I guess its more likely that its a friend...
[07/06/2011 18:05:13] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: i think getting him to open his cashier on mikogo is more suspicious way of asking him than saying 'do u know an aussie player called pynero
[07/06/2011 18:05:52] mcfals02 (steven): "do you know an aussie player called pynero?"
[07/06/2011 18:06:49] Sebastian Worm: if he denies to open his cashier... he will simply just get a kick? - doesn't really matter if it is suspicious?
[07/06/2011 18:10:27] Jack Wilcox - Hoodlincs: if you kick him anyway, will you tell him the reason
[07/06/2011 18:11:29] mcfals02 (steven): i was pretty close to kicking him anyway tbh