torelli an 'elite player' rofl. he's terrible. doug shouldn't have tried to bluff a calling station

inb4 torelli saying he had a live read and just owned him

i'm sure his 'video of the day' will come sooner than later ...

Doug only has to be bluffing here like 30% of time to make the call profitable.

Alec torelli is an elite player these days?

For someone who claims his favorite hand is Aces, Doug never puts that hand in a value range when talking about hands. That's not just this hand vs. Torelli, either. Do you just not believe in sets?

Are non-elite players owning elite players these days?

Continuing saying that I don't like the turn sizing, making that big could potentially fold hands that would check fold river. So river bluffs are less appealing.

Flopping top set and barreling hard for value is typically not the optimal line.

If you call winning one hand owning then yes. Not just these days but since ever.

A sample size of one in favor of an argument is better than a sample size of zero against it.

What if they are calling stations?

he said typically didn't he?

then this would go against the Torelli hand. gotta get on a higher level.

I ran my ranges into a solver (with some extra suited junk for the 3bettor creating a 10%+ 3betting range, which is pretty wide against an early open).

On the flop, the solver would check 86 of clubs on the flop, but bet 86 of diamonds 38%, 86 of spades 50%. It would fold JcJs 49% and call 51% (fold all pocket jacks without a spade).

On the turn it would fold its remaining JcJs 95%. On the river it would not only fold jacks, but also most AQ-AJs.

The solver, as the 3-bettor likes to turn a pair of sevens into bluffs (76s, 87s, 97s). It bets them about 80-90% on the flop, and they're its only bluffs on the river.

Note: On that flop, the 3-bet caller's range is a lot weaker than the button's, so it does not adhere to MDF.

Now giving Polk a 3bet range of 15% with a 5-1 bluff to value ratio, the Solver still folds jacks by the river.

Torelli would have to have a "tell" or think Polk is really unbalanced on all streets to call w/ jacks on the river.

With aces, the Solver check-calls the flop 77%, check-calls the turn 93%, and then check-calls the river 100%.

if you block almost every hand that can call you down it's not that shocking

Thanks for the analyses AM34


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Do you think that he called you simply because he didn't want to be in one of your videos getting bluffed? I actually wonder if you get called down a lot lighter when the session will be streamed vs other sessions. If I were Alec I would have called down too just to avoid the analysis with you saying "bazaam", "get your cookie jars out"

it always made me wonder, why do people consider being bluffed more embarassing than being valuebet to death? It started in season 1 of hsp, when Gabe was saying stuff like "he doesn't want to get bluffed on tv" all the time, is there some percieved difference in being outplayed in one way rather than another?

just wanted to chime in real quick and say keep up the dope vids

and

honestly this limon dude seems like a real *cough* **(insert c word here)** .. obviously meant cool for those that couldnt figure out that word

i think its shocking enough to check/call in position.

Thanks, what ranges did you use?
Are you talking about OOP here? How many AA combos did you give him? IP obv. can't c/c anything.

lol wp, i didn't actually watch the hand. just knew alec called down JJ on an AxxxK board from the posts here

Just looking at the vid, he is apologizing when he takes the cards bad as if to say sorry . . . He knew what he was doing

It"s clear go to manager and get refund, strange ting is this dude is suspect as ****, the way he taps cards, then after, its like he is trying to say sorry but can't. . .

The Torelli vid definitely one of Doug's best; pretty much had everything going for it, great analysis, fun hand and a bit of humour. Well done Mr Polk!