Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge - Page 4 - Poker News

as much as i'd like to see it at 100/200, i agree with nick that he has to assume wcg will have a large piece and thus have a big interest in helping doug win

ofc there's nothing wrong with doug and wcg talking and you can't do anything about it anyway, but if i were nick wouldn't want to give wcg a significant financial interest either

just do it at 50/1

dong*

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02-04-2015 , 04:49 PM

#78

gwai lo

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 559

evil empire flexing kids. stacking $$$ and destroying egos.

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Originally Posted by Sammy2bullets

I imagine it would look something like this:

1. WCG
2. who cares
3. who cares
4. who cares
5. who cares
6. who cares
7. who cares
8. who cares
9. who cares
10. who cares

this list is solid. when you are the king, does it really matter who is below you?

it's very funny to see nick frame dickwave and boast about how good he is only to repeatedly watch his ego deflate when members of the empire put him in place.

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02-04-2015 , 05:03 PM

#79

Two SHAE

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Originally Posted by jungleman

Stating the winner of the challenge as the better player is about as logical as anyone giving a **** about who is 1-20 at NLHE online--a game now just a little bit less inconsequential as Magic the Gathering in the grand scheme of things. But hey, we all have to get our kicks somehow I guess

This

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

Donger, I apologize if I'm way off on this, but when Doug brought this up a few weeks ago he indicated at a 20k bi you would only be playing a small % of yourself.

So while this isn't nearly as juicy at the one proposed I would be up for a challenge, where both players have a large majority of themselves, say 25/50 (I have 100% of this), 10k hands, 30k sidebet.

With this being said I might be up for doing an even larger challenge (than the one in the OP) in a few months (obviously both parties are going to be selling large pieces) where I'm not concerned about who has what financial interest in the challenge.

This is a reasonable alternative, hope it happens

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Originally Posted by cottonseed1

Of course it is a silly idea. Even if you guys played 100K hands vs it is likely that you still would not know who is better and who should be ranked higher. This basic understanding of statistics is what makes all the talk about player rankings completely pointless. It basically boils down to a popularity contest.

On top of that, poker is not transitive. Even if you could prove that player A is better than player B and player B is better than player C you can not necessarily say player A will beat player C.

Hats off to both of you guys if you decide to play. It will be fun entertainment for everyone! I will certainly be sweating the match.

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02-04-2015 , 05:09 PM

#80

King of the North

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Is Donger Kim one of the "wcgrider trained monkeys" that TC mentioned in his PG&C thread?

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Originally Posted by Burnss

what happened to kanu?

Who needs to play poker when you got that stars money?

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02-04-2015 , 05:11 PM

#81

psychosocial

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remember when the regs wouldnt battle each other at 100/200 because the stakes were too small?

NL confirmed dead game. i bet in the last 2 months there have been more 100k+ stacks in limit games than in NL the last year

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02-04-2015 , 05:45 PM

#82

JERRYJ0NES

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So, TC would be playing WCG rider Jr., with WCGs money at stakes higher than he usually plays? Seems fair.

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02-04-2015 , 06:41 PM

#83

Mihan29

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It's really a joke that Donger asks for 100/200 when it's somewhat obvious that Nick won't be able/dont feel comftable playing those stakes.

Either way i would say it seems like a bad way to spend his time, when he has to climb CAP, PLOHU and SNG's. Playing the #4 in the world for a small bb/100 and very high variance seems like a waste of time to me.

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02-04-2015 , 06:52 PM

#84

10percentluck

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after reading again and again about what sample size to be considered as relevent I'm getting the impression that there's no size which would really matter. the conclusion is obviously that all the Ivey's, Jungle's, Moorman's can be on a few million hands heater while the Scout's and potatino's can be the best players on a downswing.
I know it's a bit off-topic, but I honestly never ever heard a size which would be accepted by all as relevant.
(obv not saying 15k is)

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02-04-2015 , 07:02 PM

#85

blopp

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Would be fun of this goes down.

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Originally Posted by Donger Kim

However, as he ranks himself ahead of me, I'd like to have a chance to play him in a challenge-type format. I think it would be a fun experience and something that would also be enjoyable for the community.

Then you should jump at this quite fair proposal.

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

So while this isn't nearly as juicy at the one proposed I would be up for a challenge, where both players have a large majority of themselves, say 25/50 (I have 100% of this), 10k hands, 30k sidebet.

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02-04-2015 , 07:12 PM

#86

nochtm

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Originally Posted by cottonseed1

The ranking is not based on who beats who, but who has the best HUNL skill-set:

- Best strategy knowledge
- Most accurate identification of opponent's strategy
- Execution

So if A>B and B>C then A>C.

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02-04-2015 , 07:15 PM

#87

madmansam

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

Hey guys

Donger--props for throwing down the challenge. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but Im too poor to take this on as proposed. While Im not insinuating anything unethical would happen, I believe Doug has a large financial interest in the challenge as stated and Im not comfortable with that right now. Donger, I apologize if I'm way off on this, but when Doug brought this up a few weeks ago he indicated at a 20k bi you would only be playing a small % of yourself.

So while this isn't nearly as juicy at the one proposed I would be up for a challenge, where both players have a large majority of themselves, say 25/50 (I have 100% of this), 10k hands, 30k sidebet.

With this being said I might be up for doing an even larger challenge (than the one in the OP) in a few months (obviously both parties are going to be selling large pieces) where I'm not concerned about who has what financial interest in the challenge.

Best of Both Worlds

Do the $25/$50 bet Nick counter-offered with now, and schedule Dong's $100/$200(or bigger) to happen in 3 months. The important part is to have it scheduled with a large sum penalty ($50k, $75, $100k w/e) if either side decides to back out/forfeit. Both sides will have the 3 months to train, study, battle whomever, and the 3 month pre-match wait time will be gold for the fans/poker media. Just imagine May 2 Mayweather vs Pacquia, May 3-12 TCfromtheUB vs Dong Kim. The first pre-arranged long term poker battle.

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02-04-2015 , 07:20 PM

#88

King of the North

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Is everyone on this ranking willing to play the jungleman? Because he is #1 on my very prestigious list.

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02-04-2015 , 07:22 PM

#89

GiggityGoo70

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Originally Posted by 10percentluck

They're talking about confidence intervals so I believe it comes down to the degrees of freedom (stdv) and % confidence you wish to attain that would determine the requisite sample size (obv always the bigger the better). Cottonseed was simply commenting on the volatility involved and how these dick swinging competitions, while entertaining, prove nothing as far as definitives go.

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02-04-2015 , 07:41 PM

#90

fityfmi

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Originally Posted by jungleman

If you really believe the most important poker format is less important than magic the gathering you should retire buddy.

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02-04-2015 , 07:48 PM

#91

King of the North

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Originally Posted by fityfmi

If you really believe the most important poker format is less important than magic the gathering you should retire buddy.

Why is it the "most important poker format"? Do you mean important = most popular over all stakes?
If so fine, but i somewhat disagree.

If you mean most important = most prestigious, you are clearly wrong.

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02-04-2015 , 07:51 PM

#92

fityfmi

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Originally Posted by King of the North

http://youtu.be/OJPl9R7ndA8?t=2h17m50s

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02-04-2015 , 09:57 PM

#93

jungleman

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Originally Posted by fityfmi

If you really believe the most important poker format is less important than magic the gathering you should retire buddy.

reread genius

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02-04-2015 , 10:19 PM

#94

Lefort

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Whoa.. ppl still play HUNL? Figured this was a bumped thread at first. Kudos to you guys.

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02-04-2015 , 11:03 PM

#95

Rufus the Jew

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why wouldn't people still play hu nl?

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02-04-2015 , 11:12 PM

#96

tiltshove1

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^ In case you haven't heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0iIYg3mGl4

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02-04-2015 , 11:23 PM

#97

Jamie Platinum

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Although the bark is always worse than the bite in these threads, they're still my favorite on 2+2.

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02-04-2015 , 11:38 PM

#98

fees

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

With this being said I might be up for doing an even larger challenge (than the one in the OP) in a few months (obviously both parties are going to be selling large pieces) where I'm not concerned about who has what financial interest in the challenge.

Lol I'll take the under

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02-04-2015 , 11:53 PM

#99

Jamsym2

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What would be the reasoning behind not wanting to play higher than 25/50 now but willing to play 200/400 in a few months? Something to do with taxes or expecting lots of improvement in ones play? Not taking sides just generally curious since TC posted something similar in his goals thread aswell.