Would you post your top 10 or 20 in order?

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I imagine it would look something like this:

1. WCG
2. who cares
3. who cares
4. who cares
5. who cares
6. who cares
7. who cares
8. who cares
9. who cares
10. who cares

What do the pros know about pandorasbux that we dont? His graph looks like gus's. Possible rankings hustle?

#bigdickdongerkim

A solid sample for what? Determining who is the better player?

If one player is up 10bb/100 after the 15K hands we would declare him the winner and better player right? Is this statistically valid? If we assume a 135bb/100 standard deviation we cannot even say with 70% confidence that the player who is up 10bb/100 after 15K hands is even a winning player. If we assume the player is up an absurd 20bb/100 after 15K hands then we cannot say with 95% confidence that he is even a winning player!

While I may be mistaken about this, the win rates in the previous examples were quite high considering it is two top players. If we assume that one player has a more modest 5bb/100 win rate versus the other player. The player with 5bb edge is going to be down money at the end of the 15K sample 33% of the time. At a 3bb/100 edge for one player, said player has a 39% chance of losing over the 15K sample. Even over 100K hands a 3bb winner with 135bb standard deviation will lose 24% of the time.

These challenges are fun to watch and people like them. I don't claim to know who is the better player and frankly do not care. With that said, it is quite silly to think that if the players are even reasonably matched that these challenges actually decide who the better player is. The fact of the matter is that as relative skill is "close" randomness is the primary factor in who is up or down at the end of the sample.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles...ndorasbux.aspx

how is this guy in 9th place? :O is this accurate?

would you propose the same challenge to jungleman Donger Kim?

Big fan, xx

To those questioning pandorasbux, he seems to battle everyone (WCG/Jungleman) so his graph is not as pretty as someone bumhunting.

#bigdickdongerkim

Stating the winner of the challenge as the better player is about as logical as anyone giving a **** about who is 1-20 at NLHE online--a game now just a little bit less inconsequential as Magic the Gathering in the grand scheme of things. But hey, we all have to get our kicks somehow I guess

I am by all means not saying the better player will come out on top. The goal of this challenge is to create some high stakes action from two players that have been playing against each other since nl200 a few years ago (maybe it was as low as nl400). Nick has always moved up the stakes faster than I have, and frankly I've had bad results vs him moving up the stakes. I do not mean any hostility to Nick and hats off to him with what he has accomplished in HUNL in todays games

also, 100k hands is a very silly idea, ask the poster above me what happened with 50k hands

u mad, #5?

Lol. In Jungle's defense when is the last time you saw anyone playing 25/50+ HU NLHE online?

Would be great to see this happen.

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I think jungle is going to go down as one of the best online players of all time. The goal of poker is to make money right?

...with that said I still think he may be a little mad.

today yesterday and the day before u fool

always trying to start shinanigans between ike and flushie eh? captain autism to the rescue!

tc is in the taaaaaank

what happened to kanu?

Hey guys

Donger--props for throwing down the challenge. Sorry to disappoint everyone, but Im too poor to take this on as proposed. While Im not insinuating anything unethical would happen, I believe Doug has a large financial interest in the challenge as stated and Im not comfortable with that right now. Donger, I apologize if I'm way off on this, but when Doug brought this up a few weeks ago he indicated at a 20k bi you would only be playing a small % of yourself.

So while this isn't nearly as juicy at the one proposed I would be up for a challenge, where both players have a large majority of themselves, say 25/50 (I have 100% of this), 10k hands, 30k sidebet.

With this being said I might be up for doing an even larger challenge (than the one in the OP) in a few months (obviously both parties are going to be selling large pieces) where I'm not concerned about who has what financial interest in the challenge.

Props for replying and coming up with an alternative TC, really hope this goes down!

Of course it is a silly idea. Even if you guys played 100K hands vs it is likely that you still would not know who is better and who should be ranked higher. This basic understanding of statistics is what makes all the talk about player rankings completely pointless. It basically boils down to a popularity contest.

On top of that, poker is not transitive. Even if you could prove that player A is better than player B and player B is better than player C you can not necessarily say player A will beat player C.

Hats off to both of you guys if you decide to play. It will be fun entertainment for everyone! I will certainly be sweating the match.

well i mean, hu power rankings are basicly a list of people who won't play wcg

as much as i'd like to see it at 100/200, i agree with nick that he has to assume wcg will have a large piece and thus have a big interest in helping doug win

ofc there's nothing wrong with dong and wcg talking and you can't do anything about it anyway, but if i were nick wouldn't want to give wcg a significant financial interest either

just do it at 50/1