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Old 04-14-2009, 10:27 PM   #76
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

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is there a way to enforce that bet with no $ dumping? i bet some cocky HSNL guys would love to jump on it [and then raise his open limps mercilessly]

i just don't believe daniel can beat 10-20 online at all. [i also cant]
pretty sure you don't have to sweat DN chip dumping

fwiw DN has a pretty significant advantage playing on his name in that fish are prob dying to play with him and chat about suited connectors and ****.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:39 PM   #77
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fish are prob dying to play with him and chat about suited connectors and ****.
Lol!

75K hands is too much imo, I do think DN is well capable of winning it though.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:40 PM   #78
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

I don't think DN would do this but if you make a bet for such a large sum of money, there is a high chance something screwy is going to happen. DN could just pay off friends to fill his table and chip dump for a couple big sessions and he would make massive monies. Or fish could see him sitting at a $10/20 table and sit for a chance to play with him, making it significantly easier to turn profit. Or as someone else said, the really high stakes regs could come down to f with the bet.

Fwiw I like Daniel's side of this bet, even with no angleshooting. He probably has no shot to turn insta-profit, but he's a pretty brilliant poker mind with 10+ years experience and he'd pick up what he needs to know quick.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:42 PM   #79
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Don't kid yourself, though, and think that random posts made by people I don't know will make me cry, lol :-) I can take it, and I don't mind at all. I like all kinds of humor and don't mind being made fun of from time to time. Whether it's my hairline (I'm not bald!), my sexual orientation (I'm not gay, you can safely abandon that fantasy now), and I'm not past my prime in poker (I plan on having a big WSOP this year).
You go Daniel. Just ignore the haters. When you kill it this year at the series, these haters will turn into cheerleaders. Also I hate you too, but that's a different story.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:51 PM   #80
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

Yea bad players taking shots at Daniel is an interesting dynamic for that bet...

10k hands isn't anywhere near enough to flatten out the variance. If the sample is gonna be super small, then the bet should include the wrinkle that DN has to have positive winnings with all in EV is taken into account. That would help a bit with the variance.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:20 PM   #81
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

This thread is kinda shocking to me

I havent followed what capt canada has done in tv cash games, nor have i been railing him on pokerstars in.. well ever.

That being said, if capt canada cant beat 10-20 online i think i would give up poker. I could can beat 10-20 online? 10k hands Is this for real

i think 2easy needs to take that bet before we can even take him seriously.

Secondly, y do all these poker stars put out books and talk about hands all the time. U are pretty much giving your opponents a key to your poker mind, and it hurts your play. their is no doubt about it. People need to start getting a little bit more serious with taht stuff, and keeping stuff tight.

Do u hear PI running to make a book or talking hands all the time? Minus standard stuff. NOOOOOOOO. Its bad business sense

Capt canada, u win that bet 100% Unless u play drunk all day.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:21 PM   #82
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

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Old 04-14-2009, 11:36 PM   #83
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

Daniel doesnt need to explain himself to some random 2+2 wankers. There is so much negativity on here its amazing. Negreanue is a self made man and great poker player, he doesnt need to prove anything to anyone.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:46 PM   #84
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

When does the DN/PA/TD/PH/PI/GH cash game lineup air? I don't see it on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_A...n_5_.282009.29
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:51 PM   #85
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

2eazy i suggest mentioning this in HSNL for everyone to get a bit of action.

ill def throw some bones down if u up the minimum hand requirements. 10k hands is so dumb. takes one solid day to play 10k hands.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:58 PM   #86
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

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3) PH claims again and again to be the best NLH player in the world. I call him out on that, why not? I don't ever call out PA, or Durr, or Gus or any of those guys, do you know why? They never make such silly claims. Most people seem afraid to tell PH the truth- I'm not. He simply doesn't have the necessary tools to beat guys who play that game for a living on a regular basis. PH thinks he can, I don't think he has a shot, so I put my money where my mouth is.
If these players were to make these claims, would you call them out? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but this implies that the first two you referenced aren't in the conversation. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the phrasing.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:59 PM   #87
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

Beating 10-20 without gameselecting is very hard and i don't think Daniel can do it without practice and iam willing to bet on it. However with good gameselect skills and no time restrictions Daniel can easily do that.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:00 AM   #88
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

if dn is smart he'll take the bet at a larger amount of hands (lol @ betting 10k hand stretch where any ***** thing can happen), get coaching, beat the games and ship the side bet.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:01 AM   #89
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

Negreanu might be -EV at a table of Ivey, PA, Durr, etc.

but he'd be +EV against almost everyone in this thread.

So... yeah.

Just because he's not as good as the best players in the world doesn't make him bad.

Think of him like a backup NBA player. He ain't crap compared to Lebron, but he's still damn good at basketball.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:57 AM   #90
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio

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2eazy i suggest mentioning this in HSNL for everyone to get a bit of action.

ill def throw some bones down if u up the minimum hand requirements. 10k hands is so dumb. takes one solid day to play 10k hands.
This.

Don't hog all the action!

Daniel, if you're seriously interested in this bet I would guess you could probably generate $1-$2m+ in action (given the amount of action the other HSNL thread got).

Someone please set up rules, stipulations, and escrow and let's make this happen. First would have to find out how much action Daniel is willing to take. Maybe 2eazy make official thread about it in HSNL?

It will definitely have to be more than 10k hands (lol wtf?) and just to ensure it's "worth the time" for DN to play more hands we would need to raise funds through HSNL. First need to hear from Daniel though what kind of action he'd need for it to be worth his time to play like 75k hands... 50k at the least.

Then from there need to organize details for site/preserving integrity of bet/time frame/exact rules/etc.
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