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04-16-2009, 01:32 AM
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#301
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veteran
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun
exactly.
the whole "trust me", "seriously, its in there" "seriously, you should have bet more" speech is just condescending, no matter if it was to a donk or to a pro. i cant imagine being at a table and hearing someone talk to another player like that. in your defense, you are a well known and respected tournament player, so it is a lot easier for you to get away with it. but as just said, that time you were picking on a pro, and it isnt something a lot of people appreciate seeing.
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Dude, he was joking around.
Not to sound like a fanboy but I advocate and like when any of the "TV pros" come around here to post. Not sure why everyone is in such a hurry to scare them off.
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04-16-2009, 01:42 AM
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#302
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Kansas City
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
I'd really love to see this bet happen so let me see if I can help out a little bit here. I apologize if it has already been mentioned.
Ok...
You guys (2+2 mostly) think in "# of hands played" or "hands/hour"....
1,000 hands sounds like alot to Daniel.
10,000 hands sounds like a crapload to Daniel.
He doesn't grasp how many hands can be played guys, even single tabling. Be it in a hour/day/week/month or whatever.
Daniel is obviously very busy guys... but I think he probably thinks more in hours played... for someone who doesn't sit in front of his computer much grinding he prolly thinks how much golf or other stuff he could be doing vs. sitting there, which I'm sure most everyone can understand. (Hope I'm not putting words in your mouth Daniel, just kinda how I see it atm).
So here is my suggestion:
Frame the bet in sessions or hours played, not a total number of hands.
Set a minimum session time, stipulate rules for sitting out, # of players at the table... and so forth.
Then set a minimum # of sessions to be completed in a month/6 months or whatever.
I'm sure PokerStars could make some 'Daniel' tables for the bet just like FTP has made for the high volume nosebleed regs on there. This way Daniel never has to wait for a game, he can just sit. Set up 1-2 6max or whatever tables at 10/20 and have a reserved seat for Daniel.
PokerStars can also track the action on a page on the site, it's easy, they can just throw up the total hours played, # of sessions, # of hands (for those who care) and so on... whether or not the page mentions how much he's up or down would be dependent on Daniel, as I can see how much that would suck to sit every night being down and knowing that those guys know. /shrug
Anyway, I'd love to see this happen. I think Daniel is a great guy, a great player, and I'm curious how well he could adapt. So Daniel if you'd be open to something with this structure I think it would be much more conducive to your busy schedule and you could play the hands when you wanted.
You da man Daniel, btw... whatever happened to that whole FCP deal where the guy wins the trip to Vegas to train with you and gets put in all those high buy in tourneys, I always thought that was so cool, did they kill that promo?
Just my thoughts guys, you could make this happen easy if you will just work with him.
-Hiway
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04-16-2009, 01:59 AM
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#303
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun
exactly.
the whole "trust me", "seriously, its in there" "seriously, you should have bet more" speech is just condescending, no matter if it was to a donk or to a pro. i cant imagine being at a table and hearing someone talk to another player like that. in your defense, you are a well known and respected tournament player, so it is a lot easier for you to get away with it. but as just said, that time you were picking on a pro, and it isnt something a lot of people appreciate seeing.
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god, what is wrong with some of you? its really sickening how the littlest things get picked apart by you pink skinned babies.
danny is successful. he gave some advice to a guy who was reading a tournament book.
if donald trump gives you buisness advice, i guess thats condescending too?
poker is so full of sensitive egos. who cares what true motive was behind daniel's advice. the fact is, his advice was correct.
you guys are never satisfied. if the "pro" never talks, then he's an a-hole.......unless its ivey, durrr or antonius.......then its cool.
i guess danny should get a publicist and a lawyer before he ever utters a word.
you know, the fact that someone like urindanger is at a table, reading a tournament book, can easily be taken for, "hey, i'm playin all u guys for a bunch of suckers with my brilliant newb move here"........which it probably was.
but nobody ever mentions that.
but danny gets made out to be the bad guy. what a joke.
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04-16-2009, 02:07 AM
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#304
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grinder
Join Date: May 2006
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
This thread reminds me of the kind of thread you'd have found on an MMO forum 10 years ago. As soon as everyone found out or even thought a ZOMG REAL LIFE GIRL playing with them the majority of the people on said forum would split into two groups:
1) the "zomg u wanna sleep wit me I'm hung like a horse lmao baby wink wink" group
and the
2) "leave her alone, she's a girl, that doesn't mean she has to be harassed by a bunch of 14 year old boys! See, baby, I'm respectful, wanna sleep with me? wink wink" group
And as it was back then, this is great entertainment, just hope no one asks DN for nude pics.
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04-16-2009, 02:09 AM
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#305
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
this thread has turned into "bash negreanu" thread
negreanu ignore the haters
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04-16-2009, 02:23 AM
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#306
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Perth/Fredrikstad
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by kaedin
This thread reminds me of the kind of thread you'd have found on an MMO forum 10 years ago. As soon as everyone found out or even thought a ZOMG REAL LIFE GIRL playing with them the majority of the people on said forum would split into two groups:
1) the "zomg u wanna sleep wit me I'm hung like a horse lmao baby wink wink" group
and the
2) "leave her alone, she's a girl, that doesn't mean she has to be harassed by a bunch of 14 year old boys! See, baby, I'm respectful, wanna sleep with me? wink wink" group
And as it was back then, this is great entertainment, just hope no one asks DN for nude pics.
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This.
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04-16-2009, 02:23 AM
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#307
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by Daniel Negreanu
So if I agree to do it, understand that I also will NOT play more than one table because the way I read my opponents isn't through poker tracker, it's through watching and focusing on what they are doing. I can't do that at all if I play two tables. When I play poker I like to see EVERY hand played.
I'd rather compromise at 20,000 hands and I'd be willing to do it in 2 years or less. It's gotta be a lot of money, though, otherwise it simply isn't how I want to spend my free time.
10,000 hands I'll do it for $250,000 in one year
20,000 hands I'll do it for $500,000 in two years
75,000 hands I'll do it for $1,000,000 in three years
I'd say I'm trying to make it happen by compromising...
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2 easy u dont think capt canada can gear down to the point that he comes out a winner in 10k hands? I find that simply nuts...
Number 2, u think the stakes are going to shock him? Sitting with 2k is going to really get him star struck
P.s. Taking 1 yaer to play 10k hands? Now that statement has me really worried.. Y in gods name would it take u 1 year? U going to play 20 hands every other day??? that comment seems to be a fishy, or a set up by capt canada.
P.p.S make it 2 or 3 months of playing for 10k and i think the bet happens. And i htink he would come out ahead easy
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04-16-2009, 03:49 AM
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#308
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
I've always had a ton of respect for Negreanu's game, ever since I saw him on TV back in the day telling other people their exact hole cards.
I think 2p2ers don't give guys like Negreanu enough respect at all, and greatly overestimate the edges (which I agree are there) of the online pros in a matchup with Negreanu. Yes, durrrr has an edge on DN. No, DN is not going to be open limping every hand "in case he hits the flop." Whatever he is, he isn't the fish in your 50NL game that you imply he would be. He has obviously done very well marketing himself and taken advantage of the poker boom, but I think it's ridiculous to assert that he isn't an extremely skilled player who has made a ton from poker. Finally, if he doesn't have the technical understanding of NLHE to crush it (2knl) right now, I'm sure his general poker ability/intelligence in general would allow him to pick up on it much quicker than all but possibly the best 2p2ers did.
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04-16-2009, 06:13 AM
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#309
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
Interesting thread...
I think both 2easy and daniel are right here.
If Daniel playes the same as in HSP he will not beat 5/10 online. An exception might be TABLE SELECTION, playing only with big fishes. But reading Daniel's lines here he looks really smart and knows his place. Everything he said makes sense.
I played 2easy, he is a good player and I think the HU game will be close. His big experience online will not be so important playing so short sesions at one table.
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04-16-2009, 06:22 AM
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#310
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adept
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
Daniel, instead of replying to the trolls, why don't you tell us when this hu4rollz with 2eazy is going to happen ?
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04-16-2009, 06:54 AM
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#311
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by checktheriver
Daniel, instead of replying to the trolls, why don't you tell us when this hu4rollz with 2eazy is going to happen ?
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He clearly didn't expect him to accept so is chickening out now that he has.
Standard HU challenge procedure.
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04-16-2009, 07:41 AM
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#312
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bat country
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
This thread is hilarious. Online players talking smack and then "WHAT? You want to actually do this bet in a way that resembles how you normally play online? That is outrageous!".
Just make the statement "DN can't 8-table 10/20 NL online and win" and feel smug about it, if that is what you are after.
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04-16-2009, 07:46 AM
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#313
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newbie
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
not gonna listen to that but am sure if nagreanuo said that about heluth it must have been joke lol... u ppl shold use ur brains more....
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04-16-2009, 07:47 AM
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#314
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
RE: Urindanger
I see absolutely nothing wrong with Daniel engaging a shy kid with some friendly banter. He was obviously joking with the kid, and sometimes this makes shy people feel more comfortable.
Who cares that Urindanger plays high stakes poker on the internet? There is no way that anyone is going to know what many of the internet players look like, and even if he did know that is was Urindanger, the line still works and is actually a bit more funny than if it were just some random kid.
Seems like some people are trying to make a big deal out of nothing.
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04-16-2009, 08:07 AM
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#315
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: Negreanu bashes Hellmuth (upcoming PAD cash game) on Mediocre Poker radio
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Originally Posted by ypk
So you think Negreanu should grind out for a month to win a sidebet that averages $1.7k per hour + winnings of 10/20 (which, assuming action play, doubles that hourly rate)? He has way higher E(V) playing the high stakes limit/HORSE games.
The bets aren't worth Negreanu's time, so he's not going to comply to those restrictions. Maybe he knows that he won't get any action, but it's stupid to suggest that he takes on the bet with those restrictions.
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I seriously doubt Negreanu has made $1.7k/hour on a regular basis since he stopped luckboxing tournaments like five years ago. It's a pretty huge joke to think this kind of earn isn't worth his time.
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