I'm curious to find what percentage of US FTP 2+2ers knowingly made phantom deposits.

This is an anonymous poll.

Nope.

I deposited $200 two weeks prior to black Friday which was not deducted from my account. Wonder why that happened.

I didn't make any phantom deposits, but I'll tell you what - all pending deposits I had on my account were surely deducted from my bank account.

Phantom deposit: No.
Phantom withdrawal: everyone.

No idea it was phantom money when i deposited

No i did not get the chance to...
you are full of **** if you say you would not if you were put in the same situation as those that did.

Never dreamed they wouldn't eventully take out my deposits sooner or later just like they had been all along. If I had known it was a total freeroll then I would have been certainly tempted big time, just like any of you self proclaimed saints that claim you would have never done it! FTP simply gave everyone an option to steal by their stupid policy and who really knows what they would have done or will admit it?

After 2 didnt get deducted from my bank account, I stopped trying.

Oh well, one less fish for you guys....at the time.

You're full of **** if you think that.

Lots of people knew about the deposit loophole and didn't exploit it; details of it were all over the web (which is almost certainly why the hole is as big as it is).

Some didn't do it because they thought it was ethically wrong.
Some didn't do it because of the administrative and legal hassle of blocking the eventual take-back by FTP.
Some didn't do it because they were making enough money normally that a $2500-per-time fleece wasn't worth it.
Some didn't do it because they thought there was a sizable non-zero chance that they might not get away with it and it would backfire on them one day in the future (it still might).

None of these people are full of ****.

The really sick part, but perhaps not so surprising I guess, is even some FTP red pros were making "phantom" deposits. I'm not talking about Team Full Tilt members, just the regular Red Pros.

Once BF hit many/most likely realized that maybe these deposits were never going to be cleared. Up till then I simply thought it would happen somewhere down the line. I think I am in the huge majority here! As far as FTP getting any of this back, well the DOJ would have to change the current agreement, and unless FTP has excellently kept records (odds?) it will take some time and a lot of work to unravel. Agree that is possible, but a stretch!

I think this is what the majority of people who even noticed that the deposits weren't coming out probably thought/did. From comments on here I know it happened, but I think the number of people who intentionally gamed the system (and unknowingly defrauded fellow players ) is fairly small.

FWIW, the odds now that FTP can recover any of those funds from US bank accounts is extremely low, probably less than 1% IMO.

source?

I run so bad. Those bastards actually took the funds from my bank when I deposited.

Yeah. No disagreement that there were plenty who just assumed it was going to take some time. I've got no issue with that. I just don't agree with the "you'd have done it (knowingly) too" line of bull. It's simply not true. As you say, a large number of people who did it didn't do it knowingly, and a large number of people who could have done it knowingly didn't.

Fwiw I deposited $200 onto PS literally 1 hour before black friday, it happened, they sent me an email two weeks later saying my deposit didn't go through, so now I have a -$24 balance

nerp way

shouldnt the poll question be:

"Did you make phantom deposits?"

Most people who made phantom deposits prolly didnt know they were doing so until BF.

No, because FTP was actually very good at debiting my checking account always within two days or so. Almost every time. I never really had a problem.

whats deposit?

I'm a bit confused, besides insiders at FTP who could have known that the money would never be withdrawn from their bank accounts??? People were aware that deposits weren't taken from accounts instantly like usually, but noone knew that it wouldn't be initially. Some may have taken the chance an kept depositing hoping the money would never be withdrawn from their bank account, but noone knew it for a fact.

True, which is probably why most people, if they noticed the delay in debiting their account at all, just shrugged and assumed it would come out sooner or later.

There were some people, though, who noticed and intentionally started depositing then either transferring or playing or doing something to cash out, then depositing again, hoping that the funds wouldn't be withdrawn, or closing their bank accounts so that the funds couldn't be withdrawn even if FTP tried.

As I already said, I think it's a small minority who did this, but there were a few.

Lol at the results of this poll. Some people are not being honest. Also, the results of this poll are going to be skewed on a site like 2+2 where the percentage of winning players is higher than the overall player pool.

Apparently I am full of ****. These emails are dated around March 15th.