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Old 11-05-2012, 08:35 PM   #421
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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"Furthermore, on at least one occasion, Lederer himself emailed the members warning them of the civil and legal liabilities that they could face if they chose to run for, and accept, a Board seat." --

Diamond Flush, from Part 7 of her series: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files.

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Evidence of at least one such email; preferably an entire email sent by Howard, please?
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:55 PM   #422
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

The opening sentence might as well read " In early June 2011, some people ( who may or may not have been shareholders of FTP), may or may not have held a meeting at some person's house in Vegas to talk about changing the board of FTP. You can trust that I know this because I am anonymous as well."
This is literally the equivalent of me posting here that I heard from some people that Howard Lederer was/is lying and when you question me about it, I simply say that I won't reveal my sources. Oh, and I won't tell you who I am either.
If you put a lot of stock in what DF has to say at this point, you are either stunningly, blindly naive or are just too dumb to question what an anonymous person tells you is fact by citing anonymous sources. I not saying she is wrong. Nor am I saying she is right. I am simply saying that everyone should take what she has to say with a gigantic grain of salt and do their own research and draw their own conclusions.
Oh, and HL is a piece of lying ****.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:48 AM   #423
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

For anyone who missed it - Chad Elie (processor recently sentenced to 5 months prison) has confirmed that he is one of DF's sources (in the "Chad Elie on Twitter" thread).
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:28 AM   #424
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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To be clear, I never spoke to the DOJ after I was indicted.

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They never asked you to cooperate or for info on your alleged co-conspirators?
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:05 AM   #425
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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Sam’s investment group, whom some people have characterized as the “white knight that got away”, was also purportedly the same group the the Los Angeles Times claimed was set to buy the company on July 1, 2011.
@DF: By Sam Al-Amiri you mean the former head of derivates trading middle east/asia of UBS and Rabobank? You wanna say that Alpen Partners was the potential investor behind Ivey? - This is a very interesting point you have there. Iīm curios to read about that, however iīm fairly skeptical about that point. May your sources are misleading or misleaded.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:25 AM   #426
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@DF: By Sam Al-Amiri you mean the former head of derivates trading middle east/asia of UBS and Rabobank? You wanna say that Alpen Partners was the potential investor behind Ivey? - This is a very interesting point you have there. Iīm curios to read about that, however iīm fairly skeptical about that point. May your sources are misleading or misleaded.
That was widely accepted conventional wisdom at the time. I'm not sure who mentioned it first, but it was extensively discussed in the old FTP thread.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:49 AM   #427
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That was widely accepted conventional wisdom at the time. I'm not sure who mentioned it first, but it was extensively discussed in the old FTP thread.
whatīs your understanding of widely accepted wisdom? - i remember so much rumors, even stars was named as iveys backup. DF presents this as a fact and i have doubt in that fact because itīs more than unlikely to be true. Alpen Partners is one of the biggest private equity funds in the world and Al Amiri is their CEO. Their usual deals are 100 or even 1000 times bigger than a $30kk cash injection that it makes no sence in any way to make their CEO show up in person (even if it was about buying 40% of the company like the binion deal). second thing which makes me curios is that they are specialized in middle east and asia. their usual biz (they are managing institutional multi billion petro dollar funds) is that far from degenerated vegas gamblers that i donīt see how this connection should have begun.

thatīs no widely accepted wisdom but true facts. as said i highly doubt in that part of the story. looks to me the source of this made usage of some nvg rumors. however if this is true i would be interested in the story behind that. if itīs wrong, what is morelikely i would like to know the source and what is more important which other parts of the story are related to this source.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:53 AM   #428
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whatīs your understanding of widely accepted wisdom? - i remember so much rumors, even stars was named as iveys backup. DF presents this as a fact and i have doubt in that fact because itīs more than unlikely to be true. Alpen Partners is one of the biggest private equity funds in the world and Al Amiri is their CEO. Their usual deals are 100 or even 1000 times bigger than a $30kk cash injection that it makes no sence in any way to make their CEO show up in person (even if it was about buying 40% of the company like the binion deal). second thing which makes me curios is that they are specialized in middle east and asia. their usual biz (they are managing institutional multi billion petro dollar funds) is that far from degenerated vegas gamblers that i donīt see how this connection should have begun.

thatīs no widely accepted wisdom but true facts. as said i highly doubt in that part of the story. looks to me the source of this made usage of some nvg rumors. however if this is true i would be interested in the story behind that. if itīs wrong, what is morelikely i would like to know the source and what is more important which other parts of the story are related to this source.
Maybe he met Ivey in a high stakes Macau game and this was going to be a vanity project.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:32 AM   #429
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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That was widely accepted conventional wisdom at the time. I'm not sure who mentioned it first, but it was extensively discussed in the old FTP thread.
whatīs your understanding of widely accepted wisdom? - i remember so much rumors, even stars was named as iveys backup. DF presents this as a fact and i have doubt in that fact because itīs more than unlikely to be true. Alpen Partners is one of the biggest private equity funds in the world and Al Amiri is their CEO. Their usual deals are 100 or even 1000 times bigger than a $30kk cash injection that it makes no sence in any way to make their CEO show up in person. second thing which makes me curios is that they are specialized in middle east and asia. their usual biz (they are managing institutional multi billion petro dollar funds) is that far from degenerated vegas gamblers that i donīt see how this connection should have begun.

thatīs no widely accepted wisdom but true facts. as said i highly doubt in that part of the story. looks to me the source of this made usage of some nvg rumors. however if this is true i would be interested in the story behind that. if itīs wrong, what is morelikely i would like to know the source and what is more important which other parts of the story are related to this source.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:34 AM   #430
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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@DF: By Sam Al-Amiri you mean the former head of derivates trading middle east/asia of UBS and Rabobank? You wanna say that Alpen Partners was the potential investor behind Ivey? - This is a very interesting point you have there. Iīm curios to read about that, however iīm fairly skeptical about that point. May your sources are misleading or misleaded.
That's what I am saying.

I can guarantee, no sources misled me into saying this.


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whatīs your understanding of widely accepted wisdom? - i remember so much rumors, even stars was named as iveys backup. DF presents this as a fact and i have doubt in that fact because itīs more than unlikely to be true. Alpen Partners is one of the biggest private equity funds in the world and Al Amiri is their CEO. Their usual deals are 100 or even 1000 times bigger than a $30kk cash injection that it makes no sence in any way to make their CEO show up in person (even if it was about buying 40% of the company like the binion deal). second thing which makes me curios is that they are specialized in middle east and asia. their usual biz (they are managing institutional multi billion petro dollar funds) is that far from degenerated vegas gamblers that i donīt see how this connection should have begun.

thatīs no widely accepted wisdom but true facts. as said i highly doubt in that part of the story. looks to me the source of this made usage of some nvg rumors. however if this is true i would be interested in the story behind that. if itīs wrong, what is morelikely i would like to know the source and what is more important which other parts of the story are related to this source.

It doesn't matter if you think it's unlikely to be true, it IS true. This is not a new revelation to me or others, and yes it was mentioned in the FTP thread many many months ago, although I don't think Sam's real name, or that of Alpen was used at the time. I verified this to be true almost a year ago.

Like most things in my articles, I am not single sourced on this. I have more than one source, more than two, more than three.The story was not based on NVG rumors as you suggest, nor has anything else been that I have written. I have vetted the information many times over, and it's been proven to me. It's totally true.

You are absolutely correct to conclude that this type of deal, an online poker site, who was keeping their millions of customers from more than $ 300 million that was rightfully theirs, is not at all the type of "investment" that Sam's company would have typically had on their radar. Makes it all the more interesting, don't you think?
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:40 AM   #431
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

Diamond Flush ‏@Diamond_Flush
Last Installment before summary, Distortion of Truth, http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/11...iles-part-vii/

I am guessing this means all new information in this series has now been presented? Maybe I am misreading this tweet somehow but I assume it is saying that everything has been put out there now, and it is just time for a summary. If so, what would you guys say are the top few revelations from the series?

Should we be expecting new info about how FTP got into the hole it did from the Chad Elie interview or will that mostly be about payment processing?
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:30 PM   #432
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

DF mainly confirmed several areas where HL's story wasn't that credible to begin with. HL portrayed himself as a selfless individual who stayed on the board because nobody else would do the job rather than being someone who did whatever he could to remain a power in the company. He defined the word "know" as "something I dug into personally to get the answer," rather than "something I heard from someone else that most likely had the information." Finally, his motivation actions to get the players paid off was more due to his desire to get out of the mess without letting people know what was going on than his selfless goal to get the players their money back, no matter what his personal cost.

TBH, I think HL actually believes at this point what he said. That's combined with a poker player's money ethics of "it doesn't matter I didn't pay you off when you wanted your money, you got it eventually so stop caring about how, we're even."
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:56 PM   #433
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Nothing from DF? Nothing from the black Friday Guy? Nothing from Wendeen? All of them promised something and have yet to deliver.

Think we are being slow rolled?
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:31 PM   #434
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

The importance of parts things DF said have not been made clear yet to me. Anyone else feel like it was?
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:12 PM   #435
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She still hasn't posted the conclusion.
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