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Old 10-23-2012, 01:17 AM   #346
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

I was kind of tempted to let you have the last word since this is a ridic sideline, but if you go to the bottom of the same post, I continue to use the word "you" in a colloquial sense, and it should be clear in that later paragraph that I don't mean you, MicroRolller, but instead you as in someone who is in that situation (if it wasn't already clear before, which I think most readers will find it was). Also, I admitted that it was poor word choice, which demonstrates an acceptance of responsibiility, so the ad hominem deflection fails as well.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:09 AM   #347
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I was kind of tempted to let you have the last word since this is a ridic sideline, but if you go to the bottom of the same post, I continue to use the word "you" in a colloquial sense, and it should be clear in that later paragraph that I don't mean you, MicroRolller, but instead you as in someone who is in that situation (if it wasn't already clear before, which I think most readers will find it was). Also, I admitted that it was poor word choice, which demonstrates an acceptance of responsibiility, so the ad hominem deflection fails as well.
I know what you meant. You, and by you I mean you muppet, claim it was a poor choice of words but still don't take the blame for the miscommunication. Somehow it's my fault for not understanding what you meant to say and not what you had actually said. Maybe you don't understand what you're doing so let me try and explain it to you. RIght after you accepted responsibility you tried to deflect it. Sound familiar?

And whether you were taking about me specifically or some mythical "you" it's still stupid to make the assumption you made. Now so you don't accuse me of making more ad hominem's let me point out I called your assumption stupid.

That's the assumption that Lederer had and we've seen enough to know that just because he says something doesn't make it true. Determining the cause of the problem is an important step trying to determine how to resolve a problem. The reason that you try and find out the cause is because it makes determining the appropriate solution easier. I find it hard to believe that Lederer doesn't know who was responsible and what led to the decisions being made.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the owners of FTP. You had millions of dollars of equity in a company that you had every indication to believe was doing well. Then over a short period of time something shady was going on that resulted in the loss of player funds and the loss of millions of dollars of future earnings and net worth. I think it would be completely reasonable to want to know why.

If someone stole your car and a week later the cops brought your car back wouldn't you want to know what happened to it?

The most unreasonable and unwise thing to do is to not know what was the cause of the problems. Let's say it was an employee of the company that did all this stuff and was funneling the money into their personal bank account? What if all the player money was just sitting in some Cayman bank and recovering would be enough to pay players back and keep the company alive? What if Bitar thought he was being slighted by the other owners and was determined to destroy the company and he did just that to spite them. Should he still have the right to vote on important decisions? What if it was just incompetence. Should his opinion still matter? He didn't want to entertain a deal by stars in the beginning and that probably delayed a deal that ultimately is getting players repaid.

I didn't jump into this discussion because of what DF said in relation to this. I jumped in because of what you said about people getting in the way by trying to find out the source of the problem
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:31 AM   #348
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

I hope she does a part 8 and discusses this thread and her interpretation of any misinterpretations it might have caused.
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Old 10-23-2012, 03:39 AM   #349
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

Hey muppet. The point is that HL knew how they got to be in such a horrible state. But if you ask him he will say "I don't know". So why would he want people to figure out what went wrong?
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:05 AM   #350
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I hope she does a part 8 and discusses this thread and her interpretation of any misinterpretations it might have caused.
Yeah but what if people misinterpret her interpretation of the misinterpretations?
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:56 AM   #351
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

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Yeah but what if people misinterpret her interpretation of the misinterpretations?
Right, this could be a huge problem. For example, I myself am confused about whether I am defending or critiquing her. I hope she is able to correctly interpret my interpretation of her interpretation of Howard's misinterpretations.

Mods: imho it would be better to restart an overall ftp thread. Then we could just talk speculate about what will happen next week when she finishes.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:29 AM   #352
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

Is it supposed to be a 7 part series again? I am forgetting if I saw that somewhere...
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:40 AM   #353
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All you have to do is make a reasonable inference about what he was trying to say.
This.

MicroRoller, I think you're taking what HL is saying in this scenario way too literally. He's pretty clearly intimating that members were more focused on punishing whoever was responsible for the disaster than fixing the problem in a timely manner...and this would also imply that punishing whoever is culpable does not fix the problem, so I think that makes your larger point irrelevant to this instance.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:54 PM   #354
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

Tamiller and 1938ford: could you two please find some other aspect of this to disagree on, or at least discuss? I've found your discussions with each other to be the most fun and informative parts of this thread...
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:31 PM   #355
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Will Part 7 of Diamondflush's Series Deliver the Goods or Be a Disappontment?

I hope that all the waiting and curiosity will be rewarded with new information and insight, but I have to admit I am more than a little pessimistic that will happen. What do you all think?
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:38 PM   #356
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Seems unrealistic to think the **** will turn to gold
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:45 PM   #357
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Re: Will Part 7 of Diamondflush's Series Deliver the Goods or Be a Disappontment?

I was pretty pleased/content with the first three or so, but they've gotten progressively worse and have turned into a lot of speculation and conjecture.
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:46 PM   #358
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Re: Will Part 7 of Diamondflush's Series Deliver the Goods or Be a Disappontment?

I think she will deliver the goods
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:47 PM   #359
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Re: Will Part 7 of Diamondflush's Series Deliver the Goods or Be a Disappontment?

I am dissapoint
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:50 PM   #360
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Re: Will Part 7 of Diamondflush's Series Deliver the Goods or Be a Disappontment?

I am waiting for 7 and then I will read them all at once and post my thoughts in the DF thread.
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