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Old 10-05-2012, 08:10 PM   #151
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

I've got to agree...this has be exceptionally underwhelming to this point. It's felt more like DF doing a book reading of previously-known facts, occasionally including some of her own commentary, or pontificating on questions that should have been asked but weren't. Thought this was going to include some juicy tidbits...but my expectations dim with each installment.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #152
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Something is missing from your theory. There are no advertisements on the site.
That's a good point. I don't see any ads... but maybe they'll "become clearer later".
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:00 PM   #153
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

I agree. Would be nice to just have the whole thing come out or at least not days in between but anything supplied is nice.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:02 PM   #154
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7 lederer files
7 df investigations
7 f u MeadowAtDusk
7 chapters would be fine, even if they're all extremely long and detailed. Anyone who's seriously interested in DF's commentary (and I'd imagine that number is very high) would read it. The complaint is that it's being released in installments, and the early installments are extraordinarily dull as the writer is at pains to point out that the story will only fit together at the end.

Releasing a story in installments can be great for dramatic effect (I've done it myself lol), but it seems inappropriate here. It's kind of like releasing a movie review in seven installments, the first 6 of which are simply summaries of the movie plot.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM   #155
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

The website that was launched 20 months ago already has an estimated worth of $55,984.
The more pageviews the further that goes up.
Also the first thing you see on the site is the donate button.

Now it's perfectly ok to make money, but not that they treat us like little kids for that purpose.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:20 PM   #156
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That's a good point. I don't see any ads... but maybe they'll "become clearer later".
That is unlikely given df's previous statements on the topic. It's also possible that, like many, you vastly overestimate the profitability of internet advertising. The most likely explanation for the series being published in parts, as df has informed us, is it is being written in parts. Of course, if you find this unacceptable, you can easily correct it yourself by not going to the site for a couple of weeks.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:23 PM   #157
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The website that was launched 20 months ago already has an estimated worth of $55,984.
The more pageviews the further that goes up.
Also the first thing you see on the site is the donate button.

Now it's perfectly ok to make money, but not that they treat us like little kids for that purpose.
Who's going to pay 55k for the site? Just because some algorithm says it's worth 55k doesn't mean that it is. I'm sure subject poker is worth quite a bit as well. It hasn't been sold. As for the donation button, I think it says more about you then the site that it's the first thing that you see.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:25 PM   #158
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I agree. Would be nice to just have the whole thing come out or at least not days in between but anything supplied is nice.
Have you written anything professionally? If not, you might want to give it a try. Not to mention that if she misses a comma some douche bag will have something to say.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:12 PM   #159
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Who's going to pay 55k for the site? Just because some algorithm says it's worth 55k doesn't mean that it is.
Very true, but you get my point.

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As for the donation button, I think it says more about you then the site that it's the first thing that you see.
You mean that I am right handed and not an Arab?

You either watch the top left or the top right first.
In this case the top right has pics so that catches your attention first.
All these things have been researched a million times by marketing guys.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:40 PM   #160
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You mean that I am right handed and not an Arab?

You either watch the top left or the top right first.
In this case the top right has pics so that catches your attention first.
All these things have been researched a million times by marketing guys.
Have you considered that the theme used for the website was designed by evil geniuses like yourself?
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:04 AM   #161
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Maybe DF is saying, "More to be discussed on this later" as a bluff to HL. Basically make him think she knows what he knows although she may not know all that he knows, but he can't know exactly what she knows so maybe HL will break down and spill more beans on what he knows for fear that the public will know soon anyway.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:00 AM   #162
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

After reading the questions, I think HL may change his mind.

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■Was there an opportunity to avoid Black Friday from happening if FTP agreed to leave the US market?
HL: That was always up to the DOJ. I have no specific knowledge that the DOJ wouldn't have seized the accounts even if FTP left the US at the end of 2011, for example.

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■Was the government insisting that a $ 1 billion fine be paid regardless?
HL: I wasn't aware of any negotiations on a specific fine during the pre-BF time period.

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■Did Howard know that these talks would not go on indefinitely without some action being taken?
HL: Since I didn't know about these alleged talks, I wouldn't know about any time period they could take place over.


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■Why did he not share information about these talks with other owners?
HL: Since I didn't know about the alleged talks, I wouldn't have had anything to tell to the owners.

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■What steps was FTP taking that could have avoided Black Friday from happening?
HL: Our lawyers gave us their opinion that what we were doing was legal. They had reseached it and we believed them when they said we were in the right. We believed we were different than Party Poker. Clearly if we had left the US market in 2006, we could have avoided being seized.

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■Why did the company not stop accepting echecks from the US marketplace, or at least the states that had laws that could be referenced with charges?
HL: We had a good legal opinion that said such laws did not apply to us. To my knowledge, no state DOJ contacted us, nor were any criminal charges pursued at that state level.


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■If the company had agreed to leave the US market, did Howard think that there was enough liquid funds available to immediately pay off U.S. customers and keep the company functioning in the rest of the world? If yes, when and how did he check on those numbers? If not, what steps did he take to begin to procure enough capitalization to make repayment possible?
HL: As stated many times in my interviews, I only became aware that we didn't have money to pay back players on April 22, 2012. Prior to that, all the financial reporting that I saw said we had the cash on hand.

While I thought I made it clear, obviously many on 2+2 weren't able to understand what I said. Disbursements to owners had been frozen for years, even though the company had more than doubled in revenues. It was explained to everyone the reason was to make up the losses due to seizures. While $100 million is a lot of money to be seized, that's what the owners were getting when the company was smaller and making money. It was reasonable to assume if the company could afford a $100 million payout in 2008 that if it doubled in size later, the profits for an internet business would more than double, covering the seizure losses. The fact that it didn't meant a lot of the business wasn't under control, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:00 AM   #163
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

The third article is excellent.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:15 PM   #164
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Re: Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files

Anyone else feeling a bit, well, ripped off yet? Supposed to be 7 parts " over the next week or so" as diamond stated in part one. A week goes by and we have 3 parts with no new info and nothing even remotely new or groundbreaking. We all complained about how poker news released the Lederer files but this is slower and even worse because if ( and I hope she will) she does deliver the goods, the impact will be deadened by all the delays and lengthy intro info we already knew. Just thinking out loud.
Then again maybe I am an impatient *******.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #165
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Anyone else feeling a bit, well, ripped off yet?
Ask for your money back
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