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ITRIED2WARNU 10-01-2012 08:34 PM

Diamond Flush Articles: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
DF just posted this.

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...lederer-files/

Part 2:

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...files-part-ii/

Part 3:

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...iles-part-iii/

Part 4:

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...files-part-iv/

Part 5:

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...-files-part-v/

Part 6:

http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/10...files-part-vi/

rivercitybirdie 10-01-2012 08:47 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Interesting stuff and well done...

But I think people will eventually find he was a poor director of a private company.

I'd say poor directors are pretty common

PSUMike1999 10-01-2012 08:53 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Let me give the real footnotes:

1)FTP was founded by a bunch of degen liars and thieves

2)As it became more successful, they increased the number of liar and thieves to be part of ftp

3)1 of the head liar/thieves, Mr. Lederer, realizes he is sitting on a gold mine of free cash and starts looting from the company. Jesus, Bitar and Furst join in and each becomes multi millionaires 10 x over.

4)Black Friday comes, the truth is exposed and everyone thinks that Lederer will actually all of the sudden tell the truth.- HA HA HA, GOOD ONE!!!

The truth is, we as former players on the site will never get the full truth but I am sure of 1 thing - Howard Lederer, Jesus Ferguson, Rafe Furst will randomly show up at a poker tournament within the next year or 2(maybe even earlier)and will try to start playing in public again once online poker is legalized in the US.

Those are the REAL FOOTNOTES

ITRIED2WARNU 10-01-2012 08:56 PM

Quoted from the the 'backs out of interview thread'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush (Post 35084807)
I just want to say that in case anyone thinks that this first installment does not live up to the hype that preceded it, that its all part of a story that I am trying to do in as orderly a fashion as possible. All the small pieces will fit together as the story progresses. I promise.


TSU8842 10-01-2012 09:04 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Eh, I found this article to be lacking.

Seems to be she is attempting to point out any minute legal discrepancy from Howard's interview.

Hope for more in the coming installments.

Edit: Thanks Diamond Flush for all the work.

markksman 10-01-2012 09:08 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
I have to give df big kudos for the collection and dissemenation of this information.

It is clear to me that Bitar, ferguson, lederer, and furst conspired to buy owners off with payouts, eventually using player funds, to keep them from asking too many questions or causing trouble.

It is also clear to me that they likely used player funds to finance the rapid growth of their business from nearly the beginning. Why wait to earn the miner to launch that new promotion when you got 40 million of player deposits in the bank? Just take a little and pay it back later.

It cracks me up to no end when people want to blame the doj or Phil Ivey or anyone else for what happened. The buck stops at the board of directors. Those four bear the entire burden of responsibility here. Incompetence mixed with greed and ultimately criminal behavior is what got FTP to where it is.

markksman 10-01-2012 09:12 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. J (Post 35084887)
First we should thank DF for her contributions and also wish her well in whatever matter she recently had to attend to.


In the article,




I don;t see this necessarily as a bad thing. I cannot blame them for not wanting an outside source, If each board member indeed have votes, they could check and balance themselves out, lpus the four of them were all in good standing at the time.



They should have wanted outside eyes because the four of them were completely incompetent and entirely lacking experience

It is very common for companies to have outside board members to offer perspective. The problem was the company was run incompetently and unethically from day 1 and any outside board member with actual experience would have called them out on what they were doing.

Even some of the owners had misgivings but they were bought off.

Rob999 10-01-2012 09:17 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman (Post 35085349)
I have to give df big kudos for the collection and dissemenation of this information.

It is clear to me that Bitar, ferguson, lederer, and furst conspired to buy owners off with payouts, eventually using player funds, to keep them from asking too many questions or causing trouble.

It is also clear to me that they likely used player funds to finance the rapid growth of their business from nearly the beginning. Why wait to earn the miner to launch that new promotion when you got 40 million of player deposits in the bank? Just take a little and pay it back later.

It cracks me up to no end when people want to blame the doj or Phil Ivey or anyone else for what happened. The buck stops at the board of directors. Those four bear the entire burden of responsibility here. Incompetence mixed with greed and ultimately criminal behavior is what got FTP to where it is.

I like the post and I do believe that on top of the player loans that they probably used company loans for advertising from the start. Of course guys like Ivey who are off shooting craps or playing golf and receive the call that we're going to start paying you 800K a month aren't the root of the problem the buck stops with the board.

teddyFBI 10-01-2012 09:20 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush View Post
I just want to say that in case anyone thinks that this first installment does not live up to the hype that preceded it, that its all part of a story that I am trying to do in as orderly a fashion as possible. All the small pieces will fit together as the story progresses. I promise.
I hope so...

This first installment was pretty devoid of new, salacious, or incriminating info. I'll take DF at her word for now, though, that she's got something more substantive to offer.

A suggestion, which I'll try to make in the least-douchey way possible: I think you should spend more time formatting & checking your article for grammar, vocab, and punctuation. I'd like your articles to get taken seriously, especially if they're to form the basis for a revelatory assessment of FTP's implosion and Howard's personal failures. But that article was chalk full of errors, and in several places unclear as to whether you were recapping Howard's testimony, giving your own commentary, or simply laying out known facts.

Rob999 10-01-2012 09:21 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
[QUOTE=Mr. J;35084887]First we should thank DF for her contributions and also wish her well in whatever matter she recently had to attend to.


Yes I've only recently become introduced to the writings of Diamond Flush and I'm a big fan. Sorry to hear you might be having family or personal problems. You're a royal flush in the poker community. P.S. I like that you stay anonymous. It gives the retards less ammunition.

deemikey 10-01-2012 09:22 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Definitely appreciate DF's work in all this!

So far, I don't see anything major exposed other than some clarifications of things that Howard exaggerated and minimized, which pretty much would have been expected under any condition. I expect this will build to something more and am looking forward to reading the rest of the articles.

Rob999 10-01-2012 09:26 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by teddyFBI (Post 35085549)

A suggestion, which I'll try to make in the least-douchey way possible: I think you should spend more time formatting & checking your article for grammar, vocab, and punctuation. I'd like your articles to get taken seriously, especially if they're to form the basis for a revelatory assessment of FTP's implosion and Howard's personal failures. But that article was chalk full of errors, and in several places unclear as to whether you were recapping Howard's testimony, giving your own commentary, or simply laying out known facts.

Untrue. It was not "chalk full of errors". Prove it, quote it and show us all the mistakes Longfellow?

NEMplsJW 10-01-2012 09:34 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Nice work. Looking forward to more of what I initially thought happened. Howard spends a year coaching himself through every question imaginable....then quits his agreement with DF because he knows she knows more than everyone else knows.

Go Get It 10-01-2012 09:40 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by teddyFBI (Post 35085549)
I hope so...

This first installment was pretty devoid of new, salacious, or incriminating info. I'll take DF at her word for now, though, that she's got something more substantive to offer.

I mean is the goal of her articles to tell the truth or make HL look like a liar?

Is it even relevant that she says anything outlandish about HL/FTP, as long as we get the truth?

goingsomewhere 10-01-2012 09:43 PM

Re: Diamond Flush Article: The Distortion of Truth from the Lederer Files
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by teddyFBI (Post 35085549)
I hope so...

This first installment was pretty devoid of new, salacious, or incriminating info. I'll take DF at her word for now, though, that she's got something more substantive to offer.

A suggestion, which I'll try to make in the least-douchey way possible: I think you should spend more time formatting & checking your article for grammar, vocab, and punctuation. I'd like your articles to get taken seriously, especially if they're to form the basis for a revelatory assessment of FTP's implosion and Howard's personal failures. But that article was chalk full of errors, and in several places unclear as to whether you were recapping Howard's testimony, giving your own commentary, or simply laying out known facts.

got rid of that colon at the end eh


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