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09-08-2009 , 05:49 PM

emuslav

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

def mistake by dewolfe...though i hate fist pump of the euro. kremser made the right decision in my view. some oppinions please

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09-08-2009 , 05:56 PM

timeforheroes

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Originally Posted by emuslav

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

def mistake by dewolfe...though i hate fist pump of the euro. kremser made the right decision in my view. some oppinions please

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09-08-2009 , 05:57 PM

sapol

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Mistake by Roland but it's kind of an angle from the other guy cause he was waiting for Roland to much. He acted as if he had the winning hand and was waiting for Roland to much.

Also, the much was placed in the wrong spot. How can it ever be that close to the players?

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09-08-2009 , 06:00 PM

Comtempo

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I can't understand a word the reporter said.

Roland announced K high and the dealer refused them going into the muck, how does he not win that ruling?

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09-08-2009 , 06:00 PM

Kevmath

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from yesterday:

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lol @ de Wolfe

Pokernoob had a tough decision. Theres a 100k in the pot in a blind war and on the river theres a A98T4 board. Pokernoob checks and Roland de Wolfe bets 95k into the pot. Pokernoob tanks for a bit and then makes the call.

Roland de Wolfe shows Pokernoob one K and says K high. Then Pokernoob just looked at him stone cold and says show both. Roland de Wolfe doesn't want to!

He closes the king card and puts BOTH cards forcefully into the muck, pushing away the dealers hand. The cards touched the muck and were even under other cards.

Instantly Pokernoob slams open Q6 for Q high and says YES!

LOTS OF CONSTERNATION. Roland de Wolfe goes like my hand is better! Floor is called over and after a short discussion the floor manager declares Roland's hand dead and the pot of 300k is shipped to Pokernoob.

Pokernoob aka Tobias Reinkemeier

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09-08-2009 , 06:05 PM

MasterLJ

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I've only played cash games there, but the line actually matters in Barca. It's a dick move but Roland should have opened.

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09-08-2009 , 06:07 PM

cking

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roland is so dumb, if he's going to flash the K just show ur hand, so dumb

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09-08-2009 , 06:07 PM

AdamSchwartz

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Originally Posted by sapol

How is it an angle to call a river bet and wait to see what your opponent turns over?

I've done this several times in limit cash games on the river when I know if I call when I miss on the river my opponent will turbo muck ace high etc.

RDW knew he made a mistake and took it very well imo.

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09-08-2009 , 06:08 PM

MasterLJ

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First off the player called Roland so Roland has to show first... he was totally within his rights to wait. And as I said above the placement of the muck shouldn't matter if the line counts.

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09-08-2009 , 06:08 PM

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lostrash

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Hopefully this dude doesn't believe in Karma.

That insta-fistpump after Roland's cards hit the muck is like the funniest thing on the interwebs tho. Gotta give him that.

Why does the dealer flip up Roland's cards if they're "sooo in the muck" btw?

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09-08-2009 , 06:09 PM

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IrunDET

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,889

I laughed because of what I heard as follows which I will now try to type phonetically:

und der tobias und dein ein zeibenstien battle of the blinds.

It's like there is no words in german or whatever language that is for "battle of the blinds"

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09-08-2009 , 06:10 PM

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Koshur

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wow how does Roland not punch that idiot.

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09-08-2009 , 06:11 PM

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RaiseWanMiryon

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Wow that was awesome .. well played by the german.

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09-08-2009 , 06:11 PM

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El Matador

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Wow that is insane and does anyone know what the reporter is saying? it's kinda tilting me not knowing

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09-08-2009 , 06:14 PM

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Furbykiller

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we do not have other words for battle of the blinds, we dont have other words for "muck" "blind" "flop" "turn" .

The random eurodonk is a very successfull player tobias reinkemeier and he owned roland!!

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09-08-2009 , 06:16 PM

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MillerGold

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rolands a moron. karma for being dumb as ****

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09-08-2009 , 06:16 PM

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mlagoo

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meh no way roland should have lost that ruling. obviously every tournament has the right to have its own rules, and i dont know what the rules are here, and im sure the td knows them better than i do, but he not only opened his K before it touched the muck (so that there was never any question who had the winning hand), the dealer forcibly prevented him from mucking his hand, took the hand and opened it. that is not a muck.

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09-08-2009 , 06:18 PM

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PlaQ

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nice move by Reinkemeier, but he acts like a jerk afterwards

The fistpump is embarrasing

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09-08-2009 , 06:20 PM

#19

Narkissoz

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it's not a nice thing to do.

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09-08-2009 , 06:21 PM

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JAF000

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Originally Posted by lostrash

Why does the dealer flip up Roland's cards if they're "sooo in the muck" btw?

Good question, that's exactly what I was thinking?

I think Roland's cards were mucked but the dealer made a mistake by flipping them over - unless there is a rule that if you show one card, you have to show both?

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09-08-2009 , 06:22 PM

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AdamSchwartz

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Originally Posted by mlagoo

AFAIK there isn't a room in the world where showing one card = showing your hand.

He could have king hobgoblin for all we know

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09-08-2009 , 06:22 PM

#22

PlaQ

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Originally Posted by Narkissoz

it's not a nice thing to do.

poker is exploiting the dumb behaviour of your tablemates imo, if roland cant turn around his cards he don´t deserve the pot

but as said before: the acting afterwards is jerkish...

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09-08-2009 , 06:23 PM

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SuperSnort

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roland totally deserves it imo.

it pisses me off so much when the bettor doesnt insta show his hand at showdown, just ****ing show your cards

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09-08-2009 , 06:24 PM

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Ra_Z_Boy

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Bad ruling imo it was clear Roland had the winning hand. The dealer stopped him mucking and he had shown a king.

Rules should be there to ensure fairness. there was nothing fair about that ruling.

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09-08-2009 , 06:26 PM

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mlagoo

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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz

AFAIK there isn't a room in the world where showing one card = showing your hand.

He could have king hobgoblin for all we know

of course not, but what i'm saying is the combination of the fact that we know he has the Kc AND the fact that the dealer stops him from mucking his hand and exposes the Kc along with the 8x.. like there's simply no question he had the best hand, was prevented from mucking, and should be awarded the pot. doing anything else is just idiotic and is a terrible ruling. obviously if he was actually allowed to muck his hand after exposing the Kc then things would be different. but he was stopped, his cards were not ambiguous/indeterminable, and his hand should be live.

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