Daniel Negreanu challenging Liverpool keeper Jose Reina to a penalty shootout?!?!? - Page 4 - Poker News

T-t0x · 10-03-2009, 11:46 AM

... scoring 1 out of 5 is super easy

BKiCe · 10-03-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonified

I'm not sure how you can disagree with both of them :-).

lol... really? do you think your two statements are mutually exclusive?

i'll bet 1k on negreanu, who can we escrow with?

barradri · 10-03-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spurious

Pretty sure you would get owned without special practice.

The goalie doesnt even have to decide which corner he takes, you shoot, he jumps after your ball and has it unless you get it in the triangle, which happens one in 20 times.

I have no idea what this means, and im an ex semi proffesional player.

Oh and penalty taking is all guess work for the keepers, they decide which way they are going to dive (if at all) before the ball is kicked 90% of the time, so the odds on DN scoring 1 are in his favour.

And lol at the suns standard of reporter these days, what a load of c rp that article is. Why would anyone buy the sun anyway

Huggy · 10-03-2009, 11:48 AM

I belive that a lot of reason why power doesnt matter so much is because of the "implied" power of a shot. By which I mean if you just place the ball in a corner 1 ever 4 shots its fine because the keeper cant adjust because he will be anticipating a powerful shot. If however you "placed" the ball everytime, that is certainly a very exploitable strategy.

IMO.

eattheradish · 10-03-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by marek_heinz

Have you ever watched a penalty? Its not about how hard you kick it.

Not entirely, but you certainly need the *potential* to hit it very hard. With that the keeper may make his move early, which the penalty taker can read and then just tap it the other way. Reina will not be moving until after Negreanu has kicked the ball. Because Negreanu will not be able to hit it hard enough, he'll still make the save. Every time.

peterc1992 · 10-03-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sh00ter

lol wtf?! you dont need to be a professional to be able to kick a ball, I'd bet ANYONE on this forum could beat Reina at least once out of five, as long as they aren't disabled from the waist down or something.

It isn that easy,reina is known for his ability to stop penaltys and from 12 yards out i doubt negreanu can beat him.He might get one but thats only if he has played football before but i dont know anything about daneil that wat,maybe he has a good strike

craianos · 10-03-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marek_heinz

Have you ever watched a penalty? Its not about how hard you kick it.

Yeah, believe it or not I've seen a few penalty kicks.

Ok so it's about placement and all that, okay. Pros can kick it a lot harder than the average person and also place it a lot better than them too.

If you actually think power doesn't matter you don't know anything.

clunged · 10-03-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by barradri

I have no idea what this means, and im an ex semi proffesional player.

Oh and penalty taking is all guess work for the keepers, they decide which way they are going to dive (if at all) before the ball is kicked 90% of the time, so the odds on DN scoring 1 are in his favour.

And lol at the suns standard of reporter these days, what a load of c rp that article is. Why would anyone buy the sun anyway

[ ] ex semi-pro

SquirrelsUnite · 10-03-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by barradri

I have no idea what this means, and im an ex semi proffesional player.

Oh and penalty taking is all guess work for the keepers, they decide which way they are going to dive (if at all) before the ball is kicked 90% of the time, so the odds on DN scoring 1 are in his favour.

And lol at the suns standard of reporter these days, what a load of c rp that article is. Why would anyone buy the sun anyway

I thought there were ways to read where a player was going to shoot. I'm sure these "tells" are generally more reliable for amateurs than professionals.

Huggy · 10-03-2009, 11:58 AM

ok, I did some maths;

The fastest "kicks" are 80 miles per hour, which is ~40 yards per second.
Human reaction time before a car crash is 1.5 seconds on average.

The penalty spot is 12 yards away from the goal.

It should be pretty obvious here that daniel will only need to kick the ball half as fast as pros do and even a world class goalie will not have a chance; all this is assuming daniel has no tells as to where he is aiming.

Daniel is big fav

//thread.

Iworkforminwage · 10-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Why does this thread have question marks in the title?

sturedenstore · 10-03-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by craianos

Yeah, believe it or not I've seen a few penalty kicks.

Ok so it's about placement and all that, okay. Pros can kick it a lot harder than the average person and also place it a lot better than them too.

If you actually think power doesn't matter you don't know anything.

Obv not only about placement.. But the speed is pretty much useless without placement.. Yes a pro player can hit the ball harder and place it better then any average person. But that doesnt mean that the average person wont be able to do it good enough to score 1 in 5..

Im convinced that Daniel is pretty confident going in to this bet since he prolly wouldnt take it if he wasnt confident in his ability to kick a football.. Sure his kicks wont be anywhere near as fast or as well placed as the pros, but it doesnt take perfection to score from that distance.. Any half decent kick with good placement will cause any goalkeeper hudge problems and will surely result in atleast 1 goal in 5 tries.

eattheradish · 10-03-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggy

ok, I did some maths;

The fastest "kicks" are 80 miles per hour, which is ~40 yards per second.
Human reaction time before a car crash is 1.5 seconds on average.

The penalty spot is 12 yards away from the goal.

It should be pretty obvious here that daniel will only need to kick the ball half as fast as pros do and even a world class goalie will not have a chance; all this is assuming daniel has no tells as to where he is aiming.

Daniel is big fav

//thread.

Nice selection of stats. Do you not think that a top-class goalkeeper may have in his skillset a reaction time *somewhat* faster than average? Kind of ruins your equation...

barradri · 10-03-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by clunged

[ ] ex semi-pro

Yes here in the land of football we have semi profesional leagues, and i played for 12 years as a semi pro, now retired due to injury. hence Ex semi pro. Your obv American right, stop calling our game soccer.

Anyone who says soccer should be banned from posting here.

autofloor · 10-03-2009, 12:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2bBN6D9nBY

for those people who say that DN is going to need a kick stronger than he's capable of. it's not always about the strength of the shot. penalties are lottery (literally) and everybody who watches football (soccer for you americanos) knows that. if the goalkeeper's guess is right you are pretty much screwed unless you hit top corner which isn't all that hard.

all DN has to do is shoot at the goal, as long as he doesn't miss the goal completely he should be able to bank in at least 1. ofcourse Reina is world class and will have it much easier after the first shot because goalkeepers like that can figure out a player's movement in one shot.

aim high and strong on the first one Daniel and you will get your 12k quid.