omg why is this thread still going FRIENDS HELP FRIENDS PLAY POKER. if urindanger won the 4 million would there be this big of a thread even though hes probally doing the same thing with more people?

just so im clear we are talking about 3 friends discussing hand histories together right? like what thousands of people do on here and other poker forums on the net. seriously what am i missing? besides the fact that people hate townsend and his friends and have a mancrush on islidurr because hes a rich degen.

Everyone knew isil would go broke noone is going to win that much playing as much as he did against all the people he did.

And he has been punished for it. Now whether you agree with the punishment meted out or not is a different matter but there is no reason to doubt that BT datamined.

This is a quote from Townsend I believe? I'm not sure what you are getting at?

Gosh, and to think i have wasted 2 hours and read the whole thread.
Cutting it down to size imo it comes down to morals.
I realy dont care for the FTP response given.
But, for me personaly i was going to transfer from stars to FullTilt.
In light of this thread and the way things have panned out i am going to stay with stars.
GG Tilt
I dont play anywhere near these stakes but i would imagine i generate enough rake to make my business worthwhile.
The handling of this has been pretty crap to say the least.
I personaly do not think that this is over yet by a long shot.
As said GG FullTilt, enjoy the backlash from this.

this is just false fulltilt isnt going to take 4 million from someone because he discussed strategy with a friend i must be missing something in this thread but im defiantly not going to go threw it all to find out.

You are missing that that is cheating.
It is nothing like we do here.We break down random HH's not compile database's on certain players.

No, he won't get the money back, nor should he, end thread

It's not like my opinion means anything, but I'd say that "information" constitutes raw hand history text files, their database equivalents (a PT3 or HEM database), and the basic stats that you'd put onto a HUD which can quickly and easily be calculated by computer software (VPIP, PFR, AF, etc).

"Generated directly" is a vague turn of phrase and impossible to comment on, but the in-depth analysis we're talking about in this particular case seems to me to go well beyond simple "information".

http://blogs.cardrunners.com/brian/allegations

sounds pretty minor as well as it should be

from the last few pages of the gangbang thread it apears he admited to datamining 30k isildur1 hands

You got an extra 30k hands on him and used the info is what your saying, correct?

Is it against TOS to purchase/swap databases?

Honestly who gives a **** anymore? This **** happens all the time on a daily basis . Essentially we are making the argument against PokerTracker, HEM, and usage of HUDs. Oh! Hi PokerTableRatings! We also should shut down 2p2 since we discuss strategy. There is also threads for the regulars on those sites where players openly discuss their opponents strategies. It's all the same. This threads just absolutely stupid and shouldn't even be discussed. Lets start more "Is ______ Busto" threads instead. That's what the intelligence level of NVG is good for.

My point is that if you have a report that contains all the information you need to do the analysis then you might as well have the database.

thanks and i know i know buttt...one's gotta try right...you know there was a time when i sat on these forums reading discussion abouts the fundamentals of the game in sheer awe of the integer intelligent minds flinging sensible poo at each other...i'm getting old (29 ffs)