Seems like Pokernews got the reporting wrong.

"After Mosseri said he made the call, he turned his hand over, which was followed by Deeb turning his hand over and Yakovenko turning his over...."

I'm wondering if this is reported incorrect as well?

If this is true shouldn't Shaun's hand not be disclosed ,for the main pot, until the side pot action is finished?

Don't know why Mosseri or Yakovenko flipped their hands over? For a 50k event, I would think both players know exactly what they are playing and doing. Could be an angle from both but idk.

Nonetheless, I don't think Yakovenko should have to commit his whole stack.

well, if the rules were just the rules, we wouldn't need tournament directors to make these decisions. what you seem to be missing here is a situation occurred that shouldn't have happened, and it's not just black and white as you seem to think.

the dealer obviously didn't just run the board out, he did it after everyone turned up their hands, which is an implicit indication that everyone thinks they're all in. if everyone didn't think they're all-in, why would they have turned up their hands? if one of them turned up their hand and they didn't think they were all-in, wouldn't they say, "hey hold on, there's still action..."

based on what I know, it seems like the right decision...

listened to that several times.. very confusing.

from the vid:

deeb says after 10-15 minutes that abe called and it shows a pic of abe flipping his cards over.

then he says, googles 'finally' says abe wasn't ai, he just called pre. after the board has run out. creating chaos

deeb also says before that that for those to to get it aipf at those blinds with those stacks is insane. so i guess he legit thought abe was aipf as well.

he also mentioned he was blurry with all the stuff going on.. but not sure if hes talking about hand action or the ridic judge ruling.

what an awkward situation. how did nobody notice they werent aipf, esp deeb who, saying in that vid, his goal is to get hu w/dead money.. prolly should focus on that man lol

I think Yakovenko loses his right to complain that he wasnt all-in when he turns his hand over and let's the entire board run out. No matter whether he said all-in, if he stops the action as soon as Mosseri turns his hand over, he should absolutely only be held to a pot-size raise.

Assuming he actually said all-in, as I understand it, "accepted action" is a legitimate rule in PLO, but I also always understood that it only applied to heads-up pots.

all of this could have been avoided if yakovenko just checked his option lol...kk33 after 5 dudes limp including spewtards like blom and abe who are never folding to his raise...hes basically set mining OOP vs a bunch of sickos...instead he pots it and ends up putting 150bbs in pre with a hand that hes never gonna love postflop unless he basically flops a king

abe has been a giant douchebag everytime ive seem him on tv...anyone who genuinely needs 15 minutes to make a decision on a pre flop action is clearly a clown...in his messed up mind he may have been slowrolling the dude who slowrolled him earlier or he may have been considering a fold, either way it should never take someone that long to act

no surprise that shaun deeb aka the young online player, is the only person involved in the hand that acted like he should have and not like a doucheclown...these old "live" players always seem to be the people who are angle shooting, stalling and basically being unprofessional..IMO

i saw almost this exact situation come up in a 25-50 plo cash game and it was a clear angle shot by a known pro against a fish. Fish overbet jammed the flop allin and known pro quickly threw in a pile of cash that covered the allin. Turn and river were quickly burned and turned and the hands were turned up. When known pro saw that he lost the hand he insisted that he had only called a pot sized bet on the flop. It was a clear angle and a total joke, but the incompetent floor ruled with known pro and allowed him to pull all but the 'pot sized bet' back from the pot. The fish was pissed and will probably never return to that game again.

I definitely like the "accepted action" ruling made by the WSOP floor as it was clear when the players turned up their hands preflop that they intended to be allin. Any other ruling just opens the door to massive angle-shooting. Yakovenko could have easily prevented this by clarifying the action preflop / not turning his hand over / stopping the dealer on the flop...

wow was this also in the rio tho?

Both options mentioned here could be considered technically correct, but the third suggestion (Yakovenko keeps the chips past his re-pot bet) would actually require two rulings in the same hand.

IF the ruling was that there was action pending otf, then the result is that turn and river are folded back into the deck, the players act on the flop and new turn is dealt, players act on the turn and then the new river is dealt. This is patently unfair to Deeb, and seems to be the WORST possible ruling.

This seems to correspond to reports of what happened, and the dealer should have been on top of it (and probably should have called a floor person immediately to help supervise the hand), so in a way this would have been a technically correct ruling with an unfair result.

IF on the other hand the ruling is that because no one stopped the action, that is prima facie evidence of action offered and accepted, then the board stays as it was run out and the bets stay in the middle despite the fact that they don't conform with the betting rules for a pot-limit game.

This also seems to correspond to reports of what happened. This is also a technically correct ruling with a marginally more fair result. We have to remember here that part of protecting your hand is protecting your action, and Yakovenko failed to do so.

The problem with just saying that Yakovenko's bet was just for the re-pot amount and Mosseri's call was for that amount is that by definition this means that there was still action pending - and so the least fair result would have to have followed. To do this without running a new turn and river AND allowing Yakovenko to keep the additional chips would mean making two separate rulings in the same hand, which is the most problematic result of all.

So Yakovenko said "repot", Abe specifically requested an exact chip count before taking action, after the chip count I suppose everyone should have known that Yakovenko has more than pot and was not and could not be all-in, then Abe says "I call", then Abe tables his hand, then the other two table their hands?

After all that happened, I don't get how the hell EVERYBODY (including dealer and all players) could assume those three were all all-in or miss the fact that they were not? Did alll of them lose their short-term memory and then got it back after the board was run out?

This makes sense, and now it seems to me that Abe is trying to utilize something like the 'known pro' strat in your story, but googles understood the weakness in his move (when Abe doesn't insta muck) and countered by not saying anything preflop, but saying something after he had lost the hand as to protect the remainder of his stack. WP by him if so.. Don't think that is too far of a stretch

IMO Deeb is the one who should have said something before the cards ran out.

BTW ironically if SOMEONE spoke out and they played out the post flop action, this becomes such an awesome hand..

It shouldn't matter if he said "all-in" (which he apparently didn't). Its PLO he can only put in a pot sized raise. If Abe said call then there is no reason Yakovenko should have paid the full amount. You can't change the rules to a game.

Seems like a terrible ruling to me. No idea how they can justify Yakovenko paying off Abe's entire stack.

Without being results oriented, if Yakovenko wins the hand, I think we can assume the same ruling comes down his way. He flipped his hand over as well, which is why it isn't a bad ruling.

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You can't overjam in PLO, that's changing the rules to the game. Its the correct ruling but the "pro" seems like he definitely was angle shooting.