Errr..

1. 20,000+ views doesn't mean 20,000 individuals.
2. Even if it did, they're not all 'following'. I'd imagine most people are still wondering why they bothered even looking at the thread in the first place.
3. When I read you posts, I can't help imagining an episode of Better Call Saul.
4. How can you be 100% certain that the actions of the rail/floor had an adverse effect on his play? It's entirely possible that if his play wasn't affected, he'd have finished 10th. i.e. you have no way of knowing.

This opening part was especially hilarious. In a letter presumably intended to advocate for Luke Vrabel, you begin by suggesting that he "needs to be corrected."

You really can't make this stuff up. One of the few sensible points in your letter appears to be an accident.

Sorry, not interested. Nothing that I've read or watched suggests that the WSOP owes Luke a thing. In fact, the whole situation looks like a classic case of poetic justice.

Just send off your silly letter so that we can all enjoy the comedy.

The usual suspects on NVG whose 2plus2 raison d'être is to gang up on or make fun of something that they and the crowd don't agree with, can poke as much fun as they like at Puckster, his letter and its length, and talk about "poetic justice" and "no sympathy for Luke Vrabel" as much as they like, but this doesn't change the fact that there may well still be a strong case against the WSOP for breaking some of their own rules and procedures thus disadvantaging Luke Vrabel.

Poetic justice would be any one or more of the aforementioned forum bully boy crowd having to enlist the services of a lawyer/attorney themselves, complaining about the content, length and/or writing style of legal documents regarding their defense which then angers their defense counsel so much that their lawyer/attorney drops them the night before the trial causing them to be convicted of a crime they are innocent of.

SageDonkey in da house.

Puckster is the ANdy Dufrense of poker justice.

Keep sending your letters ...hope is a good thing!

Some people lead (might be long winded) and are leaders, most others are followers, complain, and can't see the trees in the forest.

It's hard to believe people are not outraged by the conduct of the spectators and WSOP staff here...... Not completely picketing in protest

Another poster here wrote how this behavior could be part of an angle plan, and they are 100% correct.

And while I don't respond with name calling, I do like to draw parallels: Blackie, if your a lawyer, then I'm Phil Ivey in disqise. LOL claiming you have any type of legal background...

Somewhat busted with the Andy thing.... Hope is a good thing as is speaking up and doing the right thing when something is blatantly wrong.... Thanks!

I posted earlier in this thread that Luke seems violent and unstable. He skillfully refuted this by sending me violent and threatening DMs on Twitter.

I'm sure that's just Luke being Luke though. What a character!

So if I prove I'm a lawyer will you pay me 1.5x the cash value of Luke Vrabels stack when they were 10 handed?

You still haven't typed a single word that was said. How can someone be outraged by vague generalities?

When I played the Marathon, they moved a guy at my table to give a significantly visually impaired guy the 5 seat. This seat shifting combined with the Butterfly Effect to make me lose to a river 2 outer at the end of the night. Plus it was like 63 degrees in the Pavilion, I couldn't play my A+ game. Can you write Jack a diatribe and get me a couple hundred grand while you are at it?

No

Hi Blackie, fromma others.......... I want to point out that this is the News, VIEWS, and Gossip page. I'm expressing my views and welcome debate and replies. While I think negative comments are not productive, they do not matter much to me or change the facts at hand.

I'm especially appreciative of the many real insightful comments and want to expand on them.

For the record, I'm not a lawyer, but have been invited to take the bar exam. I'm not interested in being an attorney at this time, but enjoy and understand the legal process. As an owner of many companies, I have been (and currently am) involved in substantial litigation of all types and have as much experience in the court and on the stand as pretty much any great attorney.

I;m not going to let this incident go away. I;m the last hard guy on earth, I wear a hat everyday that says "Keep It Simple" Looking past this incident, things need to be fixed at the WSOP in order that it does not turn into a total fiasco. Its a big operation and there is legitimately no way for the top people to see everything. This does not dismiss them from liability or correcting problems, like we have here.

So what we have so far in this thread are a ton of views and a ton of opinions. I have not seen one post yet that indicates anyone has any experience as a litigator or at trial. If you have watched trials on TV, you would get a feel of what cross examination of the facts and circumstances are. If you have never been cross examined or as plaintiff cross examined someone..... buckle up, the incident in my report is going to get pretty interesting.

I'm not a person that says, do this or do that. I'm the person that examines the situation, reads and understands the facts, then comes up with a PLAN to resolve the situation.

Over the next 2 days, I'm going to bring the thread step by step in detail thru the facts of the incident in the report and I'm hoping a few people want to engage and answer the cross examination I'm going to put up.

If you want to be a wise guy, that's your prerogative. If you want to read along and just envision yourself at the Rio, and sitting at a final table of ten, and what your hopes and expectations should be.....then follow along for the narrative.

I'm not the grammar king and not going to be doing much grammar editing, if that offends you, I apologize in advance.

I sincerely hope several folks contribute to this dialog in a constructive manner; its going to be a learning experience for many.

Finally, I'm not the least bit mad at WSOP, Jack, or even the TD that is on the hook here. I'm simply working off facts of the matter and working off fair play and doing the right thing.

have a nice day, we will chat later

Yeah its so unfortunate some rail harasser guy was being harassed from the rail in a poker tournament and ended up super butthurt. Defiantly put the farm up for this vital and just cause.

What does this even mean... I've been invited to take the bar? Sounds far fetched.

I have owned several businesses throughout my life as well. I call BS on the involvement in substantial litigation of all types.

You're unfamiliar with the old, "I'm not a lawyer, but I could have been" defence?

What is OP's actual relation to Vrabel? I know he claimed to be an unbiased 3rd-party, but he seems way too obsessed for that to be true.

That much is clear. I suppose it's possible you are eligible to take a bar exam even if you haven't attended law school but as far as "invited" is concerned, well, they're not in the practice of sending invitations.
And you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. If you're really a successful businessperson, and you have been involved in litigation, you know first hand that being a witness or a party is a far cry from being a lawyer. You can beat this drum until it breaks. But other than here, nobody knows or remotely cares about this. The average poker player doesn't know who LV is, and if they were to learn about his history and antics, a fair amount of which are self-reported, they will have little sympathy

What needs to be "fixed" at the WSOP? It is a highly successful and profitable enterprise. If they perceive an issue here for final tables of side events going forward, sure, they might move the rail back or deploy more hall monitors, but that's going to be their own internal decision and not likely driven by a letter suggesting that they start writing checks to players who lose.
This is what I do for a living. And well. You're experience is as a spectator. Donnie, you're out of your element.
Good thing. I'm sure the people at WSOP don't have anyone working on situations, strategies, and logistics. They must be so relieved.
Please don't rehash the facts, which seem not to be in dispute at all and have been well chronicled here. Also, I, and I'm sure most, take it as a given that LV got knocked off his A game due to a variety of factors, one of which may have been the needling from the rail or the presence of additional floor personnel. But you will never prove that LV played poorly or differently without specific hand histories, which you don't have, or that any poor play had any one particular cause, including perhaps LV's own nerves being in the biggest poker situation of his tournament life. Sometimes, good players make terrible blunders when faced with big moments. Gordon Vayo made light of his heads up play on Twitter (and very amusingly) a mere week after his runner up finish. Right away he realized he could have played better. Point is, even great players screw it up. You will never prove causation here.

Finally, you have not demonstrated anything here other than a set of facts that you claim amounted to some amorphous unfairness. This is a classic plaintiff's gambit, to pull on heartstrings and attempt to engender sympathy for your cause while blithely ignoring that there is no legal remedy available to your friend.

Not that I think it will, but that should about end the thread. You won't get a better overview of the situation than this.

My guess is family member or someone who owes luke money and wants to try to play up the friend card extra hard because he can't make payments

Maybe some annoyed lawyer said, "If you think I'm doing my job wrong, just take the bar and do it yourself."

No need to put the farm up, thnx for the offer tho

King, I still own and operate several businesses ..... and part of being a real estate developer unfortunately brings in substantial litigation.

Believe me, litigation is long, painful, and the big winners 100% of the time are the lawyers. I advise and try to avoid at all costs. He

100% do not know this kid. And not obsessed at all. The kid was damaged, I saw it and intervene all the time when I see something very wrong going on. The WSOP needs repairs.

I'm providing a free and very valuable service to remiadte this on behalf of the kid and WSOP and will get amendments so this will not happen to any poker player.

likes: you could be right, and you could be wrong. Appointing yourself as Judge and jury without hearing evidence or cross examination is wrong tho.

I think you would be better served in your analysis here if you read the cross examination and consider the facts. That's what happens in a court of law.

I did not stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Not sure where that came from. I do like it there tho, they have value added breakfast buffet at most hotels which is reasonably good.

I don't know this kid. You could call him my friend if it helps your argument; the indisputable fact is: I don't know him. Sorry

Sorry nut; this is incorrect. likes is obviously a defender of the corporation and talking similar to what a defendent might say.

I suggest reserve judgement until all testimony is heard.

And please remember, we are in the "views" section of the site. And there is not time limit, so we can proceed in a methodical and deliberate manner. Pp