Jack, WSOP, Vegas
June 11, 2017

Colossus 2017 Failure

Hey Jack,

I'm Dan a biz man from MA. Also in the poker business. Part time player Foxwoods/Bellagio. Mild mannered, keep quiet and mind my own business. Love WSOP come each year, spend a lot. Love the whole WSOP experience

Railed Colossus. You guys treated Luke Vrabel real bad dude, breaking your own rules & procedures.
The rail abused the guy. Your TD didn't step in to stop it. Playing for a million bucks, well this ain't right.

Extra security for crowd control needed. Players shouldn't be taunted from the rail. Wanna discuss this further, WhatsApp me.

Sincerely,

Daniel J Dandreo III

You didn't even tell Jack how many pounds of merch you bought at the gift shop or how much the airline charged you in overweight fees. You'll never be taken seriously.

In all seriousness, the letter was okay, but would have been a lot more effective if it was just a statement of facts about the incident without all the irrelevant storytelling and details that were added to try to manipulate Jack's perception of OP and Vrabel.

I sincerely hope Luke gets an apology from them, because I believe he was wronged, but I think Luke has lost any chance of that happening given his behavior since the incident. He seems way more interested in getting the floor man fired and besmirching the WSOP brand. If he had handled this maturely, he'd have a much better chance of getting the WSOP's attention, but instead he just rants about it on twitter with tons of profanity, calling people names, and is trying to lead some kind of a revolution against the WSOP, Pokernews, Doug Polk, Daniel Negreanu, Pokerstars, and pretty much any other person with influence in the poker community that won't blindly support his cause. His attitude and actions are why this incident isn't getting the attention that it deserves.

SageDonkey is the new BJSmith.

My god that's an idiotic tangent to this discussion.

That last sentence is totally unnecessary to make your point.

So, what you're telling me...

If at any point, ANY player, on ANY table would have thrown a card into the muck differently during the 2006 ME, every hand after that would be completely altered and result in a different outcome?!

Jamie Gold thanks all participants involved for their precise mucking.

As Bobo Fett said, The Butterfly Effect is probably a discussion for another day, on its own thread most likely. It is certainly very interesting in relation to live poker and to gambling decisions and actions, and non actions.

I think it's a massively complex area that involves physics, maths, logic and perhaps theology and some other things. But it would be an interesting area to explore in relation to poker because it could influence the way people think about outcomes as well as their approach to playing the game.

At its deepest level, who knows perhaps there is a way of directly influencing or at least disturbing or interrupting the flow of future outcomes to our advantage with deliberate Butterfly Effect creating actions. It is a long shot that this is at all possible, but then poker players do talk about "momentum" playing a role in success, which appears to be a non-scientific claim, or maybe there is some science behind "momentum" in a poker context?

It seems like a lot of this nonsense could have been avoided if they would just move back the rail fence. Someone heckling you from across the room is way different than someone shouting in your ear.

I really hope the moral of the story isn't that we should stop looking at waitresses' asses

Our attention can be held by compelling writing. If you repeatedly find yourself on the other side of a "tl;dr" dig, it doesn't mean your posts are too long despite their rich content — it means they are too long because your writing is awful.

This thread currently on the front page has an OP that is receiving praise for the way it approaches and explains a multi-faceted concept. You are correct to want to associate your posts with those of someone who can actually write, but don't try to sell them to us as equals. We have come to expect that people like you will blame your ****ty writing on Millennials.

Yeah okay my writing is terrible.

tl;dr

Poker is not a sporting event, it is a gambling game. If one or more players ask that the rail be cleared it should be cleared. The players put up their money and they are entitled to decorum.

I don't think there should be a rail at all, but I know that will never fly. In any case it should be at least 20 feet away from the players and all obnoxious, loud, rude, inconsiderate trouble makers should immediately be removed.

That would be the case in cash games, so why should tournaments be any different.

Who/what is BJSmith?

Someone who thankfully doesn't seem to post anymore.

Quite the opposite ? The reality in which Player A gets the opportunity to look at a waitress' ass is likely an overall better reality, simply because of that.

So, we have Player A, and a waitress with an ass, ....... However, where is Player B in this epic saga and does his absence betray the shallowness of the lesson.

So many odd and unexplainable thugs go down.... Today's marathon FT not in thunderdome? Although a massive company and lots going on, while the bottom of the corporation, temp dealers do a commendable job, it seems the upper management might be in over their head. So many smile and obvious things made hard and without solid reasoning from a practice or marketing point of view and precisely the point of my report.

Just because WSOP is a big corporate entity and is managing a massive event is no excuse or acceptable for such awful employee performance and errors which cost players money, are unlawfu, and indicrmanatry.

** sidebar: on the road at Borgata and typing from handheld. Grammar and spelling waver requested in advance. Thnx

So much wow ITP

WHAT IS THE FLOORMANS NAME WHO WAS SUCH A DOUCHEBAG?

THIS IS THE INTERNET... WHERES THE DIRT? HIS TEXTING DURING WORK, EVEN PHONE USE DURING WORK IS UNPROFESSIONAL, TO SAY THE LEAST...

THE BULLY STUFF?

EVEN IF DUDE WHOSE FAIRY TALE WAS ENDED EARLY IS A DOOSH, WHY IS THE PROFESSIONAL FLOOR GUY GETTING A PASS? I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU GUYS HERE ON THE INTERWEBZ...

POOR PERFORMANCE BUTTERFLY AFFECT... LEADS TO MORE PISS POOR RIPPLES...

NOW A WINDY AN OCEAN OF PISS...



HAIKU TO FINISH
BAD FLOOR BUTTERFLY STARTS THE
TSUNAMI OF PEE

Owed to Luke Vrabel,
Because a girl was quite mean:
Ten thousand dollars.

Fix the problem now or your just setting yourself up for future failure. Whats stopping somebody from having his rail rag on a guy all day. Heck it wouldn't even have to be at a final table it could be any table that is close enough to the ropes. Eventually you'll end up with 10 people at a table with 10 different groups taunting players. Honestly i don't blame the player who uses a his rail to give him an advantage. Just poor handling of the situation by the WSOP.

Hell, to pay for airfare and a main event entry, I'll rag on your opponent at the ft. Msg me.

Or, maybe WSOP could set up a service for players to save them the hassle of hiring harrasers.

This is exactly right. There needs to be mediation with the Vrabel kid and there needs to be a shake up and plan to prevent further major problems like this has the potential to be.

By midweek, I'm going to provide solution suggestions to the Collosus problem as well as propose some ideas to make the entire Brasilla room experience better for everyone...

Make sure you include all the relevant information, whatever you've been doing since the first letter, and especially everything you've eaten during the past week, and what were your favorite meals.

Make sure you ask for a waiver in the very first paragraph, for when you start to waver in the second, third, fourth.......