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View Poll Results: Who is telling the truth, Clonie or FTP ?
Clonie Gowen 203 63.84%
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:30 AM   #751
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:03 AM   #752
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No, she's asking for $40 million.
pretty expensive oral* IMO





















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Old 02-07-2009, 07:33 AM   #753
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I was reading the summons document from plaintiff Cycalona Gowen against Full Tilt Poker and a bunch of other organisations, and persons. Everything seemed to be right, until this came up:

"Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereupon alleges that Defendant Antonius is a citizen of the republic of Denmark"

Antonius is from Finland, not Denmark. Does Gowen really think Hansen is the evil brother of Antonius..?

I dont think it matters though, just something I noticed.
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Old 02-07-2009, 09:14 AM   #754
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Oh, and also. Denmark is not a republic, it's monarchy
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Old 02-07-2009, 09:48 AM   #755
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She slept with the wrong guy, now wake up ^^ ?
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:06 AM   #756
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"Plaintiff is informed and believes and thereupon alleges that Defendant Antonius is a citizen of the republic of Denmark"

Antonius is from Finland, not Denmark. Does Gowen really think Hansen is the evil brother of Antonius..?

I dont think it matters though, just something I noticed.
She's suing the wrong guy!
I think they meant to say "Republic of Finland" as that name is never used for Denmark, but it is the name of Finland. Antonius is a citizen of Finland and has residences in Monte Carlo and Las Vegas.

The documents show that he was served like all the other individual defendants, so I doubt this mistake matters at all.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:59 PM   #757
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Having read the complaint, my thoughts:
- They claim the 4 majority shareholders at founding were Bitar, Bloch, Lederer, and Ferguson. Ivey and Gordon joined soon after.
- They don't know the corporate structure. They talk about 4 companies: FTP, Tiltware, Kolyma, and Pocket Kings, but there's just speculation on how they are related.
- The complaint has some obvious errors, e.g. claiming that recent additions to Team Full Tilt have been there all along.
- She claims to have been promised 1% each in FTP and Tiltware.
- She claims the she should have an interest in Pocket Kings and Kolyma as well, either because they're subsidiaries or because she was unfairly denied the opportunity to invest. A claimed interest in Pocket Kings and Kolyma seems to be one of the two core issues here.
- She makes some claims that they froze her out, didn't give her information about the company, and perhaps violated the rights of minority shareholders (her).
- Distributions to members of Team Full Tilt started in May 2007, except to her.
- On November 6, 2007, Howard offered her $250K for her past promotion of FTP. She rejected it.
- She's been promoting FTP until recently without any compensation, just on the promise of 1% of FTP and Tiltware.
- November 11, 2008 she was informed that they'd be releasing a press release saying she was no longer a member of Team Full Tilt.
- She doesn't have a written contract for that 1%. She claims no one else does either. I don't find that to be credible: who, other than Clonie, does a deal that important without a written contract?



she's ****ed...no contract no money...your word against his will NOT hold up in court. If she has no documentation of her being owed that 1% its already over before it starts...
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Old 02-07-2009, 09:48 PM   #758
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she's ****ed...no contract no money...your word against his will NOT hold up in court. If she has no documentation of her being owed that 1% its already over before it starts...
you should try reading a thread before commenting in it...

There have been many comments here that dispute that position, and I doubt her lawyers are dumb enough to take a moot case.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:29 AM   #759
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He's smoking crack. A signed piece of paper is a hell of a lot more convincing than hearsay, and it leaves no doubt about the terms.
As someone who's read a hell of lot of written contracts...ROTFLMAO.
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:20 AM   #760
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she's ****ed...no contract no money...your word against his will NOT hold up in court. If she has no documentation of her being owed that 1% its already over before it starts...
wrong wrong wrong wrong yup and wrong again...

You dont need everything to be in writing. She has an argument if none of the other "owners" have contracts. I think this is basically a strong arm move by her know that FT isnt going to want to go through discovery.

Its a pay day regardless for her
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:40 AM   #761
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wrong wrong wrong wrong yup and wrong again...

You dont need everything to be in writing. She has an argument if none of the other "owners" have contracts. I think this is basically a strong arm move by her know that FT isnt going to want to go through discovery.

Its a pay day regardless for her
The above has nothing to do with whether she has an argument.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:10 AM   #762
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Here's some interesting info found online about the various companies:

Pocket Kings - a real operation in Ireland where all the FT programmers, marketers, and other corporate staff work. They advertise jobs online. This is where they moved the operations of the original Tiltware from Los Angeles. They claim to just license the software to Full Tilt and provide marketing services, keeping them separate from the operating (gambling) company.

Filco Ltd, Alderney (aka Full Tilt Poker) - appears to be just a shell company to hold the Alderney gambling license, administered by the Kensington Corporation in Alderney. Kensington handles the licensing and administration for almost all gambling operators that are licensed in Alderney, and the operating companies don't have real offices there. There probably are no FT employees in Alderney.

Kolyma AVV, Aruba - their address is in the Miramar office building which houses mostly trust companies, offshore banks, attorneys and accountants catering to offshore businesses. I would guess the address goes to a trust company that manages a lot of these shells and there are probably no real FT employees in Aruba either. Here is what an AVV company is.

Mohawk IT in Kahnawake is where the servers are physically located, and they host servers for virtually all online poker sites that allow North American players. They are just a hosting service provider. Kahnawake also runs the KGC licensing agency for the companies hosted at Mohawk. That's a cozy setup.
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:05 PM   #763
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The above has nothing to do with whether she has an argument.

ummm ok thank you for the insightful post.

Maybe i should of said "legal argument".

Seems like everyone here is a contract lawyer all of a sudden....

Post a pic of your law degree and ill post a pic of mine...
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Post a pic of your law degree and ill post a pic of mine...
lol you clearly have no idea who teddy is.
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^^^

nope and dont really care
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