Clonie suing Full Tilt - Page 39 - Poker News

pmulry · 11-20-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

This. Obviously I should have stated AFAIK many major casinos all across this country have this policy, rather than what I did say which was AFAIK all casinos do. But I was speaking from a fairly extensive knowledge base having played all over the country and spoken to and played with many dealers, obviously there seem to be a lot of minor casinos who don't have the policy. And, as I knew, Bobby Baldwin made an exception for himself after a while, which is what you get to do when you're the man in charge (and obviously it created a weird situation for him, where he was costing his casino business when he wanted to play).

Although this entire offshoot is kindof a threadjack, there are definitely casinos in the US where this is the policy. One is the Argosy Casino in southern Indiana, just outside of Cincy. I was playing poker in Vegas last week next to a guy who deals blackjack at the Argosy and he told me that the policy there is that anyone who deals anything at the Argosy cannot play anything at the Argosy. So he plays his poker at the other 2 casinos that are relatively nearby. FWIW, YMMV, etc.

robertlanglois · 11-20-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 08/08/08

how come Howie Lederer isn't arrested by the Feds ???
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It's only a matter of time.

jackhigh · 11-20-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhigh

3. Howard and others know what's at stake with the UIGEA and other legal issues looming overhead. These guys may be degenerate gamblers but they're not stupid enough to arbitrarily refuse to pay an investor only 1 Fk'n percent and possibly bring the whole ship down!

5. The case will never go to trial. Howard, Full Tilt and other FT Team investors are invariably involved in very sketchy financial scenarios bordering on UIGEA, tax evasion, rico, or money laundering situations that they obviously don't want to "gift wrap" and deliver to the Feds.

They will pay the Blackmailer off!

You guys are still wrong about Clonie. I still stand by my original analysis.
This is a big-time shakedown!

Todd Terry · 11-20-2008, 01:13 PM

There is no doubt that it is a big-time shakedown, whether she has a case or not. The suit will be settled for a large sum independent of the merits of the case, because FTP's reasons to settle are unrelated to the merits of the case. But if she's telling the truth, you can't blame her for using the tools at her disposal to get what's rightfully hers.

denmark_nikki · 11-20-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crane

Clonie Gowen, an original "Team Full Tilt Poker Pro," who takes hits for the team, by posing half-naked, and who also appears in almost all of the early advertising, and still some to this day, and who wears Full Tilt logo everywhere she goes, sues Full Tilt Poker when Howard Lederer (allegedly) offers her 250K instead of a full 1% owner disbursement--a year and a half after other Team Full Tilt Poker owners received their disbursements.

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What's not to like?

Huh. Well that's one side of the story. Wow, it never ends on NVG does it?

mickeycrimm · 11-20-2008, 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=jackhigh;7209572]Come on people (who side with Clonie)... this has blackmail written all over it.

4. Clonie and her Scumbag lawyers (not all, just these!) know about the UGIEA and other tax/legal threats and is simply "strong arming" Lederer and Full Tilt to pay her off. Thus the reasoning behind naming all the "Team Members" in the suit.

5. The case will never go to trial. Howard, Full Tilt and other FT Team investors are invariably involved in very sketchy financial scenarios bordering on UIGEA, tax evasion, rico, or money laundering situations that they obviously don't want to "gift wrap" and deliver to the Feds.

They will pay the Blackmailer off![/QUOTE

So let me see if I can get this straight: Clonie is a blackmailer? Her lawyers are scumbags? So what would you call people who are, as you say "involved in very sketchy financial scenarios bordering on UIGEA, tax evasion, rico, or money laundering situations"? Angels?

Hero worship for any of the parties involved is the heighth of stupidity.

SenatorKevin · 11-20-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLIIIIIIIN!

I wonder if Clonie will hire a lawyer who knows the Chewbacca defense, if so, FTP is screwed.

LOL, I sat on a jury for an attempted murder case and the defense quoted Yoda in their closing arguments. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.... Unfourtanetly nobody else thought the quote was funny except me.

Bawookles · 11-20-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SenatorKevin

LOL, I sat on a jury for an attempted murder case and the defense quoted Yoda in their closing arguments. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.... Unfourtanetly nobody else thought the quote was funny except me.

Share this with us, you must! What was the quote and how did they use it?

STOPRAKEGREED · 11-20-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhigh

You guys are still wrong about Clonie. I still stand by my original analysis.
This is a big-time shakedown!

The sites have been engaged in a bigger shakedown of their players since the great rake increases of Nov 05. Friend of my enemy is my friend. GO CLONIE. SHAK'EM DOWNNNNNNNNNNNN. lol. I love the idea of them losing sleep. LOVE IT. Scummy site. Go for the MAX girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or make them air the finances in public!!!!!!!! Hopefully it is both!!!!!!

MauiPunter · 11-20-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

But I was speaking from a fairly extensive knowledge base having played all over the country and spoken to and played with many dealers, obviously there seem to be a lot of minor casinos who don't have the policy.

Your right. The Venetian, the Bellagio, etc... all minor casinos.

Try again...

pineapple888 · 11-20-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

This. Obviously I should have stated AFAIK many major casinos all across this country have this policy, rather than what I did say which was AFAIK all casinos do. But I was speaking from a fairly extensive knowledge base having played all over the country and spoken to and played with many dealers, obviously there seem to be a lot of minor casinos who don't have the policy. And, as I knew, Bobby Baldwin made an exception for himself after a while, which is what you get to do when you're the man in charge (and obviously it created a weird situation for him, where he was costing his casino business when he wanted to play).

This may have been true once but some (many?) poker rooms have shifted to using dealers as prop players and don't hire non-dealer props any more. From reading threads in B&M I get the impression that it's now common for dealers to stay after their shifts as players and get some extra compensation.

mazjr13 · 11-20-2008, 06:35 PM

So I'm trying to find the post where Danny rips on Clonnie and can't seem to find it. Post number anyone?

MrFizzbin · 11-20-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whitfcd

Negreanu says: "She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot."

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I respect Daniels poker advice, and I'm glad he shares his opinions freely but his legal advice is rarely right. Its not like his friendship with e-dog and other fulltilt defendants would in any way cloud his judgement

FTPdelaysuck · 11-20-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Terry

As far as I can tell, it is FTP's contention that Clonie was the only member of "Team Full Tilt" who did not have any ownership stake in the company. That's a tough sell.

what is an even tougher sell is that everyone else has their ownership on paper and she doesn't.

That said, if she was promised 1% she deserves it regardless of what she brings to the table.

allurit · 11-20-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciolist

Well, they have precedent in that Team PokerStars don't have any members with ownership interests (so far as I know). It's kind of shady to have people with a stake in the site playing there as far as I'm concerned.

Excuse me if I am mistaken, but don't you work for PokerStars? If so, I find your bashing of FTP in this thread, under the guise of just being a regular poster, to be highly unethical.

It may be that another poster with a similar screen name is the person who I am thinking of and if so I apologize.