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View Poll Results: Who is telling the truth, Clonie or FTP ?
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Clonie Gowen
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63.84% |
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Full Tilt Poker
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11-15-2008, 05:42 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
Wow nice find. Don't tell me you just stumbled upon this link =)
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11-15-2008, 05:43 AM
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#32
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adept
Join Date: May 2008
Location: uber tilt
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
Wonder if we will see how much moneh is involved when the case gets to court.
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11-15-2008, 05:44 AM
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#33
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Boston
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
In the complaint, she alleges the following ---
In 2004, Clonie was offered (and accepted) 1% ownership of Tiltware and FTP in exchange for being a celebrity representative...
Has worn FTP merchandise and promoted FTP in exchange for that ownership interest (no other compensation)...
In May 2007, all Team FTP members received distribution checks but her...she demanded distribution owed to her, refused...
Nov 6, 2007, Lederer offered to pay her $250k for her past performance on behalf of company, she refused cuz only fraction of what was owed to her...
Clonie estimates company worth $4 billion...
Despite not being paid, continued to work and promote company until November 11, 2008, when she was informed that FTP would issue a press statement informing public she was no longer a Team FT Pro...
Still has not been given reason all other Team FT pros given distribution but her...
Claims against all defendants:
1. Breach of Contract --- claiming damages of $40 million...
2. Breach of Fiduciary Duties
3. Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing
4. Unjust Enrichment
5. Fraud/Intentional Misrepresentation (alleges Bitar contacted her in 2004 and told her they wanted her to be "the FTP female pro"...then in May 2004, attended meeting at Golden Nugget in Ivey's Suite...majority of Team FT was there, and Lederer led the meeting...He informed group that their ownership interests were not only in FTP but also in Tiltware, and Tiltware would charge FTP a high leasing fee.
That's pretty much the substance of the complaint. It was just filed yesterday, so nothing else has really been filed.
Last edited by atticus; 11-15-2008 at 06:03 AM.
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11-15-2008, 05:50 AM
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#34
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,859
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
Yeah, I just jerked the case abstract off PACER too. Pretty interesting so far.
**edit** delete that second part. Nevermind.
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11-15-2008, 05:53 AM
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#35
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,859
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
FTP estimated Net Worh: 4,000,000,000
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11-15-2008, 05:55 AM
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#36
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: value town
Posts: 6,509
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
wow pretty gross. interested to see what develops
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11-15-2008, 05:57 AM
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#37
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: England
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by atticus
She alleges ----
Despite not being paid, continued to work and promote company until November 11, 2008, when she was informed that FTP would issue a press statement informing public she was no longer a Team FT Pro...
Still has not been given reason all other Team FT pros given distribution but her...
Claims against all defendants:
1. Breach of Contract --- claiming damages of $40 million...
2. Breach of Fiduciary Duties
3. Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing
4. Unjust Enrichment
5. Fraud/Intentional Misrepresentation (alleges Bitar contacted her in 2004 and told her they wanted her to be "the FTP female pro"...then in May 2004, attended meeting at Golden Nugget in Ivey's Suite...majority of Team FT was there, and Lederer led the meeting...He informed group that their ownership interests were not only in FTP but also in Tiltware, and Tiltware would charge FTP a high leasing fee.
That's pretty much the substance of the complaint. It was just filed yesterday, so nothing else has really been filed.
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This donkey has always tilted me so hard. I'm glad she's no longer on FT and i hope she loses the case and the costs bankrupts her.
She looks like a melting wax work anyway.
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11-15-2008, 06:04 AM
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#38
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
LOL Secret Bat Cave Meetings...
If they ever make a UIGEA move on FTP, I'd bet my balls a lot of the stuff asserted in this suit will be cited, as far as the whos, whats and wheres.
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11-15-2008, 06:05 AM
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#39
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: on my way to Finland
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
How do you estimate the wort of a company that is seemingly in complete private ownership? In school i have learned that it is worth the sum of discounted future earnings. A rule of thumb is that you simply add the estimate the earnings of the next 5 years (since the company has a high risk of going out of business within the next decade you can apply this rule of thumb here). So FTP earns 800 million a year (netto). Realistic?
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11-15-2008, 06:12 AM
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#40
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by bigdonk
How do you estimate the wort of a company that is seemingly in complete private ownership? In school i have learned that it is worth the sum of discounted future earnings. A rule of thumb is that you simply add the estimate the earnings of the next 5 years (since the company has a high risk of going out of business within the next decade you can apply this rule of thumb here). So FTP earns 800 million a year (netto). Realistic?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that anecdote and hearsay may be the basis for it. In the case abstract, it's stated "Plaintiff is informed and thereupon alleges that the companies estimated value is in excess of $4,000,000,000".
Pertinent parties will probably be asked under oath.
Hope they all paid their taxes to the penny, or else we might see some 5th Amendment invocations.
(disclaimer- not a lawyer, but have been a defendant before  )
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11-15-2008, 06:16 AM
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#41
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
Also, anyone wanna bet that the OP's IP address resolves either to Vegas or Texas? Pretty strange that there hasn't been any public chatter about this, yet the Justia data is posted as a "question" within 24 hours of the papers being filed. Obviously, OP is an interested party of some kind, acting on the behalf of an interested party or closely connected to an interested party.
(or maybe just knows someone who knows someone who talked about it earlier today and did a Justia search)
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11-15-2008, 06:23 AM
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#42
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Boston
Posts: 381
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by Watchmaker
Also, anyone wanna bet that the OP's IP address resolves either to Vegas or Texas? Pretty strange that there hasn't been any public chatter about this, yet the Justia data is posted as a "question" within 24 hours of the papers being filed. Obviously, OP is an interested party of some kind, acting on the behalf of an interested party or closely connected to an interested party.
(or maybe just knows someone who knows someone who talked about it earlier today and did a Justia search)
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You mean you don't log into PACER each day with a list of 100 or so names you search? C'mon man...get with the program.
Either way, it's kind of messed up if the allegations are true. Also, if true, Lederer seems like an ass.
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11-15-2008, 06:24 AM
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#43
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Unexpected
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 48,538
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by Watchmaker
Also, anyone wanna bet that the OP's IP address resolves either to Vegas or Texas?
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how much are you betting?
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11-15-2008, 06:26 AM
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#44
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,859
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by soah
how much are you betting?
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Eleventy brazillion...
Seriously, even if it doesn't resolve to a particular location, there's just no way that this isn't an interested party of some kind (or a person connected to an interested party), unless someone is just so obsessed with Clonie Gowen that they randomly search her name for court filings on a daily basis.
I mean, there is precisely 0 chatter about this online, aside from this thread and whatever threads this has spawned on other poker forums in the last couple hours.
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11-15-2008, 06:30 AM
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#45
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Unexpected
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 48,538
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Re: Clonie suing Full Tilt
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Originally Posted by RaisingNaked
No, I was watching Howard on PAD on my dvr from earlier this week and Howard was talking about Ireland so I googled Full Tilt and Tiltware and look what pops up. Humm, interesting, hopefully a Nevada attorney will post a copy of the complaint soon.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchmaker
Eleventy brazillion...
Seriously, even if it doesn't resolve to a particular location, there's just no way that this isn't an interested party of some kind (or a person connected to an interested party), unless someone is just so obsessed with Clonie Gowen that they randomly search her name for court filings on a daily basis.
I mean, there is precisely 0 chatter about this online, aside from this thread and whatever threads this has spawned on other poker forums in the last couple hours.
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*shrug*
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