Cliff notes of the 'Portuguese Poker Prodigy' Jose "Girah" Macedo scam - Page 51 - Poker News

RangeyMcTriplmerge · 08-08-2011, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by yegor

has this been mentioned?

I think I may have mentioned it a few dozen times.

Invertible · 08-08-2011, 05:44 AM

not read it yet, and not seen it linked in the last couple of pages:

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/internetpokers

Masq · 08-08-2011, 05:48 AM

*cough* What's that?

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

i feel like im in one of those retarded zombie movies where there are just zombies everywhere drooling, running into ****, trying to bite ppl, walking with there arms out in front. and were trying to kill as many as we can but they just keep coming! its just an endless jet-stream of zombie trash everywhere in here, run!!!!

Please name your top 3 zombies itt

My list would be:

1.) RangeyMcTriplmerge TIED with Tommy_Ho
3.) Masq
4.) MonsterJMcgee

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1624

RangeyMcTriplmerge · 08-08-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by internet pokers

I told him, haha, no. I'm not going to write your damn story for you. He pleaded and pleaded, and finally I said, alright, you write your story, give me all of the details you want to include, and I'll spruce it up and make it nice and fluid.

Man this Jose character is a major bully!

Masq · 08-08-2011, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Invertible

not read it yet, and not seen it linked in the last couple of pages:

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/internetpokers

tl;not going to bother reading the work of fiction. Another long-winded useless Haseeb blog. "oh but it's so well written"

Matacow · 08-08-2011, 05:55 AM

From Haseebs blogg:

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I was honestly inspired by his work ethic, his drive, and his studiousness. I have no problem saying that even now. I took a strong liking to the kid. And when he told me about how he his uncle offered to help him invest money into a house (since he was 17 at the time and couldn't do much with the money he had made), I advised him to be very careful who he trusted outside of his immediate family. He said he trusted his uncle like a father. And a couple of months later, I talked him through his feelings when he learned that his uncle had taken the 300k (or whatever it was) and skipped town.
Jose is real. His story is real. He really did make a ****ton of money, he came to all of these high stakes players before any of this **** happened, and it's really clear that he ran exceptionally hot to make so much money in such a short amount of time, but also that he is a very good poker player etc. etc. He is not the best, and I'm sure that his skill was built up by all of the hype to be larger than it actually was, but he is undoubtedly a very good poker player. Any and all conspiracy theories of Jose being completely invented as a puppet account are not only utterly false, but completely ****ing ridiculous on many levels.

The questions arising are:

1. Why is there still not any proof of this alleged f**kton of money?
(The fact the he resorted to scamming relatively small amounts of money strongly suggests that he infact never made a f**kton of money)

2. If he infact is a prodigy, why would he resort to scamming?
(One common reason for scamming is to keep up lies/appereances)

It seems to me that anyone not capable of figuring out that this scam is - ev would have a hard time beeing a winning poker player over a larger sample size.

Either Haseeb still havn't understood the magnitude of Girah's scam and his invented persona (Not uncommon with scam victims) or he doesn't seem to be able to criticially process the information surrounding this mega scam personality.

alteolga · 08-08-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Meech

DOG IS CHEAT is sooo OBV lying in his chat with moss. it's SOOO evident in his constant overuse of "i understand" whenever moss states why he or his group is suspicious. ONLY a guilty party feels the need to have the suspicious party feeling assured and that everything they're doing and thinking is correct and "understandable". this is a clear attempt to calm the suspicious party down so that they are more willing and open to listening to what the guilty party has to say in their attempt to further con them.

the most classic example of this is how any smooth talking guy BS's his girl when she suspects him cheating. "yea baby i understand why you would think that, BUT....bsbsbsbs"

he also uses "haha" a couple of times which is something that liars ALWAYS do online when they're in a stick situation in an attempt to lighten the mood. judging by the scared/nervous tone of his messages, there is zero chance that he feels that any of this is funny or that "haha" is appropriate. it is just something that he types subconsciously in attempt to appear innocent and distant from this entire ****ed up situation.

FWIW I have an MSc in psych and am currently a PHd candidate doing a thesis on the psycho-analysis behind dishonesty in online personas...

great post

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your suggestions seem obv. right and logic, have mucho experience with this psych things aswell .
His "i understand" is most of the time pretty obvious. He also thinks he is WAY more clever than the usal 50/100 10/20 player, which is risky and arrogant in itself. This calm discussion tricks work against dumb shady people and ultimate nerds without communication skills.

Speaking when you get wrongfully accused of something you can't be that calm and be totally rational. Feeling unjustice is a strong strong feeling.

But we all can be totally wrong...

baudib · 08-08-2011, 06:00 AM

I found Haseeb's blog to be pretty impressive and convincing.

Still not sure why he is so convinced about his abilities and the ****ton of money -- it's pretty clear the Skype group thought he was confused in some pretty basic spots.

BlackDespair · 08-08-2011, 06:01 AM

thats going to be another one hour read... :P

Xaston · 08-08-2011, 06:02 AM

Seems like poker players are the best/worst people to try and scam. Quick to trust, but also quick to smell suspicion and when you're pulling the same scam on a lot of poker players they hive mind your ass out.

I can't help but think though that a lot of the bigger scandals that have rocked the online poker world are just ****ing greed, and if they weren't always so greedy and so blatant, that they could really be fleecing people and continue to get away with it. That's what scares me. Although I mean, I'm an American so I guess I mean more scared on behalf of those in US still brave enough to play online or those playing abroad.

wirless · 08-08-2011, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackDespair

thats going to be another one hour read... :P

I love DIH utter disdain for 2+2. How nice.

DOG IS HEAD · 08-08-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matacow

From Haseebs blogg:

The questions arising are:

1. Why is there still not any proof of this alleged f**kton of money?

2. If he infact is a prodigy, why would he resort to scamming?
(One common reason for scamming is to keep up lies/appereances)

It seems to me that anyone not capable of figuring out that this scam is - ev would have a hard time beeing a winning poker player over a larger sample size.

Either Haseeb still havn't understood the magnitude of Girah's scam and his invented persona (Not uncommon with scam victims) or he doesn't seem to be able to criticially process the information surrounding this mega scam personality.

I'm not going to respond to much in NVG, but I can't resist this one since it seems pretty reasonable.

1. There is. Go look up Portuguese tax records for property taxes or interview his high school friends, I don't know. Tons of way to verify that he made that money, knock yourself out. I for one and most other people who've dealt with him believe that he made it and didn't make it up. This kid goes to a high school and everyone in his high school has heard of this, friends of his family have heard of this, and so on down the line. He's a minor legend in Portugal, so if he didn't have money, we'd have heard about it by now.

2. I don't know. I really honestly truly don't. But I find it more plausible that he was scamming for some dumb**** reason as a stupid 18 year old who was losing in poker and felt invincible, etc., than that he lied about everything and duped everyone and that this was all an elaborate setup for some mediocre 15k scam.

What has baffled Jungle and I the most is how utterly BAD this scam is. It's just so stupid and obvious, it didn't take longer than a week for the people to put the pieces together. If Jose was setting all of this up for a scam, he could've done a whole lot better than this. And then instead of taking the money and running, he pays everyone back with reparations on top and hopes he can salvage his reputation.

I really don't have an answer.

Note: Girah didn't even beat everyone who he scammed. The 30k figure is the cumulative of everyone who lost to the accounts, but doesn't include those who won against Sauron/Dollarman.

RangeyMcTriplmerge · 08-08-2011, 06:08 AM

Haseeb confirming that Jose really did win $2 million and thus that the HEM screenshot is legit is concerning. Not going to re-type what I've already posted before but there is proof that at least some of the results in that HEM screenshot were not played by Jose. And some of the scammees have noted that Jose lacks fundamentals when he's actually playing. Certainly his play on Merge over the last 2 months confirms that he's a mediocre 6-max midstakes reg at best. The HEM screenshot indicates that he was winning at much, much higher stakes at double-digit winrates.

I'm open to the possibility that Haseeb & Jungleman were genuinely duped by this charming adolescent and had no idea about the scamming, but it's very, very, very difficult to believe that they actually conferred credibility onto Jose's HEM screenshot winnings. This is almost inconceivable to me. They must have known he was nowhere near as good as the prodigy story suggested.

Matacow · 08-08-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Xaston

Seems like poker players are the best/worst people to try and scam. Quick to trust, but also quick to smell suspicion and when you're pulling the same scam on a lot of poker players they hive mind your ass out.

I can't help but think though that a lot of the bigger scandals that have rocked the online poker world are just ****ing greed, and if they weren't always so greedy and so blatant, that they could really be fleecing people and continue to get away with it. That's what scares me. Although I mean, I'm an American so there's no online poker left so I don't know really what I mean by scares but you get the point, you know on behalf of non usa residing friends, or those in US still brave enough to play online.

Well if Potraiser didn't have the poker intelligence of a retarded can of mustard he could still be going strong.

Girah seem to have busted himself by beeing to eager and desperate. I hardly believe he would act that desperately with 1mirrion in his bankaccount.

DOG IS HEAD · 08-08-2011, 06:16 AM

Alright, going to much-needed sleep. Night gents.