Cliff notes of the 'Portuguese Poker Prodigy' Jose "Girah" Macedo scam - Page 101 - Poker News

whoisme · 08-08-2011, 07:32 PM

can you go to jail for this?

The Boot Room · 08-08-2011, 07:32 PM

i have just seen a very interesting thing in the hsnl thread...the guy called dog is head just had about 5% of his action when he was "hacked"...how curious now that we all are seeing how shady this bastard is...

Gazillion · 08-08-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon[5thf]

guys I stopped on page 50 of this thread right after CR announced DOG is dropped from their lineup.

Is there any kind sir who can give me some cliffs on what came up next?

Thac confirmed that the LookingForProdigy account originated from the same IP as the one Girah posted from.

Isitdur? · 08-08-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boot Room

i have just seen a very interesting thing in the hsnl thread...the guy called dog is head just had about 5% of his action when he was "hacked"...how curious now that we all are seeing how shady this bastard is...

Having a small percentage of yourself is not uncommon practice amongst high stakes players. Ike posted not long after that saying that, on one occasion, he had as little as 10% of his own action.

The Boot Room · 08-08-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Isitdur?

Having a small percentage of yourself is no uncommon practice amongst high stakes players. Ike posted not long after that saying that, on one occasion, he had as little as 10% of his own action.

you're missing the point...actually was ike who made it...

loveminuszero · 08-08-2011, 07:38 PM

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Having a small percentage of yourself is no uncommon practice amongst high stakes players. Ike posted not long after that saying that, on one occasion, he had as little as 10% of his own action.

yeah but Ike's money didn't mysteriously disappear

oakley77 · 08-08-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boot Room

i have just seen a very interesting thing in the hsnl thread...the guy called dog is head just had about 5% of his action when he was "hacked"...how curious now that we all are seeing how shady this bastard is...

Even if he only had 5% of the action, if the money is gone because of hacking or robbery, he would still be responsible to paying back the 95% of the bankroll to the other backers. The money was given to be used for poker and he is responsible for keeping it safe for its given use.

DerekJCEX · 08-08-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ftp_strike

I meant Link to this thread??

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Originally Posted by gorvnice

Just go to HSNL and it's the one about Jose at the top of the list of threads--I iz too lazy and if you cant find the high stakes no limit forum you don't belong there

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Originally Posted by whoisme

can you go to jail for this?

yes. sending NVGtards to HSNL is a serious offense!

oakley77 · 08-08-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazillion

Thac confirmed that the LookingForProdigy account originated from the same IP as the one Girah posted from.

I mean I think at this point its kind of obvious that there was manipulated hype behind the Girah superstar persona but that pretty much cements it

clfst17 · 08-08-2011, 07:41 PM

To those of you who "don't see a motive" or are baffled as to why perhaps the best player in the world would feel the need to scam players, I must ask, are you seriously that naive?

Why did Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens feel the need to take steroids? You have to understand that people who do this type of thing are not you. They have their own issues and their 10-15 million dollar net worth might be nothing in their minds, whereas, if we poor folks had that much, most of us would be more than satisfied to just sit on it and game select. As far as motives, here are just a few:

1. Money. Pretty obvious. When you run up a steadily increasing bankroll at faster and faster rates for millions of dollars in a matter of just 2-3 years, you expect to keep making more and more. Contrary to popular belief, for the vast majority of us, no amount of money is quite enough to feel set for life.

2. Games drying up. "No action" is a serious issue for online players. This has been mentioned at other times in this thread, but people looking for a motive tend to ignore it for whatever reason. Even midstakes players go through dry spells, and when it gets really bad, certain personality types will be tempted to take drastic measures.

Zomboid! · 08-08-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kjemmy

We're in the process of discussing whether Jose brought up theories he'd gotten directly from others or just heard of and said they were his own. So far we're not sure whether he's taken hands we've discussed on our own, sent them to sauce/jungle then changed the hh's slightly and basically copied what sauce/jungle has said. Seems like he's also brought up a theory Kotkis (who's had no contact whatsoever with Jose - I know Kotkis very well but have never mentioned the theory to Jose) came up with about HU play and made it look like his own to another high-stakes player.

Will get back to you on this.

From HSNL. I am never getting to sleep.

Isitdur? · 08-08-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zomboid!

From HSNL. I am never getting to sleep.

Yep. Been reading for what seems to be two days straight.

The Boot Room · 08-08-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oakley77

Even if he only had 5% of the action, if the money is gone because of hacking or robbery, he would still be responsible to paying back the 95% of the bankroll to the other backers. The money was given to be used for poker and he is responsible for keeping it safe for its given use.

so are you sure he paid all that money then?

baudib · 08-08-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by clfst17

To those of you who "don't see a motive" or are baffled as to why perhaps the best player in the world would feel the need to scam players, I must ask, are you seriously that naive?

Why did Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens feel the need to take steroids? You have to understand that people who do this type of thing are not you. They have their own issues and their 10-15 million dollar net worth might be nothing in their minds, whereas, if we poor folks had that much, most of us would be more than satisfied to just sit on it and game select. As far as motives, here are just a few:

1. Money. Pretty obvious. When you run up a steadily increasing bankroll at faster and faster rates for millions of dollars in a matter of just 2-3 years, you expect to keep making more and more. Contrary to popular belief, for the vast majority of us, no amount of money is quite enough to feel set for life.

2. Games drying up. "No action" is a serious issue for online players. This has been mentioned at other times in this thread, but people looking for a motive tend to ignore it for whatever reason. Even midstakes players go through dry spells, and when it gets really bad, certain personality types will be tempted to take drastic measures.

and just imagine how lucrative it would be to pass off an 18-year-old, good-looking European wiz kid as your protegy. $2K an hour for coaching while riding an exercise bike is a pretty sweet gig.

Color Up · 08-08-2011, 07:48 PM

I must admit, I'm disappointed in the NVG mods (esp ones arguing with skeptics) for failing to disclose that lookingforprodigy & Girah were the same IP.

Not that I needed the help figuring it out, but pointing it out sure would have kept the nuthuggers from stifling the debate - and perhaps given enough doubt to potentially save someone from being victimized