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06-15-2017 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
You cannot compare FT to a bank. Bank accounts are segregated. FT wasn't. FT had one big pile of money and they did whatever the hell they wanted to with the money.

They took Peter's money and paid Paul. They were operating a Ponzi Scheme. The same as Bernie Madoff.

And just because the government also operates a Ponzi Scheme called Social Security, it does not give other people the right to operate their own Ponzi Scheme.
You clearly know nothing about fractional lending or how the banking "system" works. The only difference between the banking system and FT is that the government is in on the scam with the banks.
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06-15-2017 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
You clearly know nothing about fractional lending or how the banking "system" works. The only difference between the banking system and FT is that the government is in on the scam with the banks.
Ok pal - FT is just like Bank of America - hot take.
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06-15-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
You clearly know nothing about fractional lending or how the banking "system" works. The only difference between the banking system and FT is that the government is in on the scam with the banks.
yeah this comparison between banking and online poker is pointless. fractional lending only applies to the banking system and not to other non financial industries including online poker. Banks have the transparent right to lend out a large proportion of the money they receive from customers. FTP has absolutely no right to invest, distribute, spend or do anything else with player balances that is not fully disclosed
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06-15-2017 , 11:03 PM
Still hard to believe neither went to jail when it seems like in America its not too hard to get jailed for long periods of time. They were at best responsible for hundreds of thousands of people losing their money while operating an illegal enterprise.
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06-15-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
Ok pal - FT is just like Bank of America - hot take.
bofa is 100x worst than ft, just wait a few years when bank runs start to happen and you will see.
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06-15-2017 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jfound
bofa is 100x worst than ft, just wait a few years when bank runs start to happen and you will see.
What?? do you live in a bomb shelter with a few hundred guns?
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06-16-2017 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Stupor
yeah this comparison between banking and online poker is pointless. fractional lending only applies to the banking system and not to other non financial industries including online poker. Banks have the transparent right to lend out a large proportion of the money they receive from customers. FTP has absolutely no right to invest, distribute, spend or do anything else with player balances that is not fully disclosed
so then we will compare FTP to our state governments who also dont segregate the lottery money and use it on other things and refuse to pay winners when they are out of money.
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06-16-2017 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ihateregs
Still hard to believe neither went to jail when it seems like in America its not too hard to get jailed for long periods of time. They were at best responsible for hundreds of thousands of people losing their money while operating an illegal enterprise.
counterpoint- they're rich and white.
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06-16-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ihateregs
Still hard to believe neither went to jail when it seems like in America its not too hard to get jailed for long periods of time.
Not when it comes to white collar crime. You'd struggle to find a single Director, VP or C-level exec who has gone to jail for financial misconduct. The Enron guys are the only ones that spring to mind.
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06-16-2017 , 08:49 PM
They Stole The Money

The only way a board member could have been honorable (and they all had major ownership) is:

1. If they had made sure No players money was paid out to themselves and the other owners in the form of "dividends" or dished out to friends and allies as loans overly generous perks

Or

2 They quickly went public with this extrodinary business model. And watched the players run for the hills.

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Full Tilt was not run like a bank. A banks business model and safeguards are disclosed

It was IMPLIED that the board was not putting the PLAYERS money in their pockets in the form of dividends. Even what they spent out of the players money on "legitimate" things was egregious.

One board member was a 9 percent owner receiving 9 percent of every dividend dollar... here is a dollar of players money and here is 9 cents for me.. etc... etc

The board and CEO are responsible for dividend policy and other major company decisions. And they all knew Full Tilt was short players money.

The insider line was Future Cash flow- even though everyone knew what could happen. Regardless, you don't secretly put the players money in your pocket.

The governments line was Ponzi Scheme.

For over four years they were taking players money without telling the players.

Black Friday did not stop Stars and Party from paying because they did not steal the money.(umm.. dividends, loans, perks).

Last edited by tuccotrading; 06-16-2017 at 09:08 PM.
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06-16-2017 , 09:55 PM
looking forward to taunting videos when available
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06-16-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ddlloo12
looking forward to taunting videos when available
See last years WSOP thread.
You won't see any this year.
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06-17-2017 , 01:09 PM
I bet Jesus has so many ****ing Ethereum
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06-17-2017 , 05:49 PM
They had a plan to offset the missing money. Remember before they closed, they were going to start having high roller events. This had to be a plan to get the money back, not cause they were interested in offering amazing high roller events.
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