OMFJC HELLLzzzzz to tha NO NOT MFin ever. I'm one of the most forgiving mf's out there, but just HELL NO to sympathies for this mf.

It's 2017, I'm still owed money, and this mf gonna be the "POY"?!

Naw: he the MF'in "BOC."


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I can't really tell if this is a serious post or a troll but I guess I'll bite. Whether or not they consciously stole player funds while they were being paid, did you see either one of them making any effort to repay their victims with the countless millions they took from them once the truth came to light? I certainly didn't. Jesus didn't even respect the community enough to come out with a half assed apology. I wish I didn't care about the WSOP or being arrested so much, because I would at the very least spit in the man's face.


People wouldn't have hated them if they'd done the honorable thing and paid people back their ill gotten millions immediately. Instead, they decided to keep every penny because they only care about themselves and that is the bottom line. They couldn't even be bothered to pledge 1M towards the payback like Dwan and Galfond did. Sickening that morons like yourself actually have the gall to defend them here.

Let's say your friend gives you $1000 and you later find out he stole the $1000 from someone. Would you give the money back to the victim or keep it? Simple question that will either expose you as a scumbag or as a hypocrite. Take your pick.

Seriously though, isn't Chris maybe the least culpable of the "pros". I mean really it was Ray Bitar who screwed it all up so bad. And yes an argument can be made that outside events caused the player pool shortfall, which would've been made whole had Black Friday not stopped everything cold in its tracks. But wasn't it true that Chris didn't take some of the distributions that were owed to him and basically left them within the company?

I think most people assume Chris and Howard were behind the obv unsustainable practice of paying dozens of pros millions of dollars each month.

So there's a new, very successful poker business model. Dress like a 90s B-movie cartoon character. Open an internet poker business, steal the deposits, use the money to play every WSOP event. Win POY. Laugh at all the victims. Walk off into the sunset.

This should be funny but Ill answer your question and would like to know what youd answer to it aswell if i asked you the same thing. Thanks for calling me a moron btw, without you even knowing me. Im a moron because i have a different opinion than you about a guy who you think decided to throw his life away for money when thats never what he'd intentionally do.

Anyway if ii was owed 1k from someone and they paid me back, id be happy and i wouldnt care if it came from a bank that they robbed, a homeless man on the street, or whatever. Id be happy i got the money that was justifiably owed to me. I wouldnt support his poor decision to get the money but im not going to turn it down. Now are you gonna call me a scumbag? Let me ask you this, if i take the 1k and give it to its "rightful owner" guess what? then i dont get 1k the money was paidback to me already wasnt it? Im not a charitycase i cant just give 1k to someone because they got wronged. Know what im saying?

Oh great, he is now POY leader, who says crime doesn't pay?

Someone honest probably, because it does pay, it's just the hours that are pretty bad.

You must not be aware of standard operating governmental procedures in much of the world.

It looks like there is a mistake in the WSOP's calculation for Ferguson. It is giving him duplicate credit for his last cash...it is showing up as 96th place in both event 58 (which he cashed yesterday) and event 68 (which hasn't happened yet).

Most people think that they at least knew about it. And even if they didn't, both were directors of the company and would therefore be guilty of gross negligence. The latter wouldn't make it any better.

They weren't found guilty of anything though.

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They weren't prosecuted or convicted, but they most certainly were guilty.

They were most certainly not guilty. People are just speculating because they want a villain to broadcast their anger at. Fact is neither was prosecuted nor found guilty in a court of law. I'd love to know where these prosecutors exist that don't charge people that "most certainly were guilty." Clearly it wasn't so clear cut if they weren't even charged.

Also, didn't Howard Lederer help broker the deal which allowed PokerStars to purchase Full Tilt so that the players could get their money back?

Regardless of Ferguson's actually involvement in the Full Tilt fraud, he was such a public and popular figure in poker, and such a public figure in the operation and promotion of FTP, it seems like he owes the poker community an explanation of what his involvement was before he reengaged with that community. At a minimum, why didn't he at least give an interview and apology along the lines of what Lederer did?

They weren't found guilty because they settled their cases out of court with the U.S. Gov't. If I remember, the settlements included not admitting any guilt, and paying undisclosed monetary sums.

I still think Ray Bitar is the one who deserves most of the blame, he was in charge of day-to-day operations and the decision-making that led to the player pool shortfall, which was exacerbated by the suddenness of Black Friday.

Does anyone other than Negreanu and whoever else actually has a shot at winning it in any given year actually care about the POY?

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LOL.

Also, not enough LOLs to laugh at dreamcrusher trying to white knight these criminals.

believe it or not some do, odd because I don't think they get a prize for it...

from wsop.com

oh, well its something

They get a banner in the Rio

Another former red pro (he doesn't read 2p2 lol) told me that in conversations w ferguson within the last few days or week I'm not exactly sure, he had his usual positive attitude about his overall performance this year but would not go to WSOPe for any reason, whether he is in contention or not. He doesn't care about POY any more than, "oh that would be nice". Apparently, he's just playing cuz all these tourneys in a short time are a way for him to get his poker fix and he still enjoys the game obv. Has been spending more time studying non-NLHE. He waited to come back until "most everybody was paid" so he wouldn't have to deal w too much vitriol at the tables. And he's been proven right. Bc almost everybody been paid, he gets away w keeping his head down and taking our money on the felt, instead of off the felt like w his "business".

This formula is ****. Ferguson has one final table and one more top twenty and is atop the leaderboard. There are so many players having better series. Any formula favouring mincashing is ridiculous.

... but chainsaw approved.