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Jesus always seemed like a nice dude. I couldn't be happier for the guy. If he takes this down I hope the WSOP does some more card throwing segments. There's nothing quite like throwing a playing card through a banana.

Exactly, just imagine what would go down'

"Hey Chris, IM ALL IN!"

For some reason this thread makes me miss Full Tilt. What player should get it over Chris? I haven't been following the WSOP this year so I don't know what is going on.

The whole system is terrible to begin with...somehow your purposed idea makes it even worse.

Is it safe to assume that anyone in this thread who has forgiven the unrepentant unpunished thief is automatically a scumbag?

Is Mike Leah actually leading POY despite being down money? Bad formula.

I dont know the FULL story of FTP after black Friday, but I thought everyone got their money back when Stars bought it?

I know I had a few $$ in my account when it came back up?

"Everyone" is a charitable way of putting it but yes the majority had the opportunity to get their money back.

To remind of the obvious: got our money back from Stars, not from the boys and girls who looted Full Tilt to line their own pockets.

Please quit the narrative that everyone got their money back. This absolutely did NOT happen. Plenty still haven't been paid in full.

I like the idea of having to have won a bracelet to win POY. Or, what if they just did POY like sports teams do? A panel of people pick one at the end of the series. No points or anything.

Godspeed Mr. Ferguson.

Thinking about it, it's actually really good if he wins POY being down money. At least it would accurately reflect most of theese live mtt pros.

I feel very bad for Chris and Howard. Im not trolling here, but poker players just love to complain and point the finger.

Lets look at this before black Friday, Chris and Howard were well liked and respected right?Ive seen them around and talked and everybody seemed to respect them both. They were both sitting on 100s of millions in their accounts then. Thats a fact, very well off, great life going.

Then black Friday hits, everybody calls them scammer. Do you people really believe these 2 guys decided to steal everybodies money maliciously? You think one day they decided to just F everyone over? Black Friday(which wasnt their fault) made them lose their livelihood of playing cards, most their friends and hate from everybody. They couldnt show their faces in the place they loved. DO you really think they wanted this to happen? All the money in the world doesnt matter if you have to stay cooped up in your home all day and be hated by the world.

FTP was a failed business and accidents happened and they put their trust in Bitar. Alot of **** went wrong yeah but they didnt do it to outright scam anybody. To the people who truly think they did are just not smart, these men would never outright scam like this from the start it makes no sense.

Also, its pretty obvious Chris has been playing online and studying on his game because this is his second year crushing it. I bet he studied a ton online and played thru other means. Good for him.
Howard gave a statement when he didnt have to, and Chris owes you people nothing.you guys spit in his face for years you dont deserve to hear his side of the story of what REALLY happened.

Also big lol@ the clowns posts who think "oh Chris is playing with MY MONEY!" literally the dumbest thing thats been said for years in the poker world

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You're a disgrace to the game.

"FTP was a failed business and accidents happened..."

It is impossible for you to be that ignorant of the situation and post on a poker forum.

You don't make hundreds of millions off a failed business...

Despite what Mike Matusow or others will say they got all the money out while the iron was hot. The company wasn't being run by fraud masterminds. A ton of the problems/corruption were publicly known(selling of accounts, massive unbacked loans, echecks,etc).

Its completely unreasonable for anyone to believe any shareholder paying attention didn't know their distributions should have gone down.

They may not have known the entire picture, but I don't believe for a second they believed the company was as healthy as it was at its peak yet they continued to raid the company via distributions. I find it highly unlikely that major shareholders didn't know or suspect the company wasn't holding 100% of players funds on hand.

You are 100% correct sir. Thank you for saying what needed to be said.

This is completely false.

Maybe the formula favors ROI but the results do not reflect that at all. The guy currently in 7th place has won 91k on 30k of buyins (=only counting the events he has cashed in). The guy in 9th only has 70k in cashes.

There has to be guys with 4+ cashes who have a way higher ROI/total money won than that.

It seems to me that is simply favors cashing, and doesn't favor FTs/wins/huge scores enough.

It should make for a fun interview eventually when someone wins POY and says in his winner interview he is down money over the WSOP. Which could eventually happen in this system imo.

If it's based on ROI then they have to track all the tournaments the players play but don't cash in and also the number of entries in each tournament. I don't buy that they are doing that whatsoever and to do otherwise is not based on any relevant ROI whatsoever.

I view Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson as a classic case of How can we miss you if you won't go away?

They were obviously bad for the game in the long run and until they arm themselves with actual skill sets relevant to whatever it is they're trying to accomplish with this two-year WSOP stint -- and communicate openly without laughably attempting to hold the community hostage with this you don't deserve to know what REALLY happened nonsense, I'd rather them just gtfo personally.

If either of them has something to share, I'm 100% sure they have any number of platforms at their disposal to do so.

Good point. If it's going to be an ROI-based system, they need to track ALL the entries that didn't cash.

What? They are running a business that is paying out more than it is taking in, and you think they were unaware of this?

My friend, come here, as you are so naïve I have a goose that lays golden eggs that I can sell you, as well as magic beans that lead to the land of the Giants. It is people like you who enable Ferguson to play in Vegas, instead of deservedly rotting in a cell.

He should be second in the 2017 WSOP POS.