0%, The liability of either of them offering something like that would be insane, and it's ridiculously unnecessary especially if he's actually already up huge at live PLO.

I think Dnegs has probably read Papi's recent book and now identifies him as a potential member for Choice Centre.

Woof as you wish. If it goes down I will bet it.

So they are getting staked for this? So basically a free money hu4rllz. looool

after reading joeys book: this is probably too close to call.

Joey's gotta a shot !! assuming he rooms with brian hastings again like the last time he played high stakes plo on stars in van city !!! Lets go!!!

Bang bang

whoa!!!!

he called him "son."!!!

I generally like Joe ingram's interviews, but I just watched his breakdown of an Omaha hand DN played against Sulsky. I did not think's joe's analysis was particularly deep or thoughtful. He may indeed be an Omaha wizard, but if so that video did not showcase his skills.

Anytime I get deep or thoughtful people tell me to shut the **** up and stop talking, trying to find a way to make the videos in a simple way that more people can understand but not sure how to do that

DN has no shot against me when it comes to the great game

I've never played HU Omaha, so what the hell do I know. But I'd imagine your respective skill levels are much much closer than Hall/Dentale, and the variance in HU Omaha to be higher than NLHE. Where would you set the line on a match against DN?

Don't worry ChicagoJoey, DNegs is gonna choke. The green jacket's yours!

That's what Dentale said about Hall, and we all saw what happened to him. He played great and got unlucky. Be careful, the same can happen to you.

I think you are misinformed on what "played great and got unlucky" means

So whats the structure gonna be here? Looking forward to that an a betting line emerging

It depends on the structure (deeper is in Joey's favour IMO) and how many games it is the best of.

At an extreme end of the scale, 25/50, 50K chips, no blind increases, best of 9 games I would make the line Chicago Joey 1/5 83%, DNegs 5/1 17%

But if, as more likely, it's something like 25/50, 25K chips, blinds rise once to 50/100 after 50 hands, best of 3 games, I'd make the line: Chicago Joey 1/2 67%, DNegs 2/1 33%

These are no layer's margin odds, and I am not taking bets.

I can well believe DNegs has made a lot of money playing PLO cash games, but remember as well as being a great all round player, he has had access to whales in big games over the years, and there is hard evidence showing that back in the day players such as Sammy Farha were not actually very good at PLO, certainly if judged by modern day PLO skill levels. (evidence being his PLO strat book and some interviews he gave)

Chicago Joey knows every PLO strat and play possible and is great at adjusting to opponents in PLO so that's why I make him quite a strong favourite.

Gl to both and should be an enjoyable and interesting match to watch.

I would imagine that a 1000 BB match would take quite a while. Either way, Sage, I would immediately take Danny's side on either of your structures/lines.

You may well be right. I'm judging it based on play that I have observed of their's and how they talk about PLO strat. I can't say any more than that because I wouldn't want to compromise either player's strat against the other by blurting out ITT how I believe they both play.

Variance overall in PLO is higher than NLHE, however it can also be the case that smallish differences in skill levels in PLO can easily get amplified more quickly into big errors. In other words it's much harder to hide in PLO (i.e. wait for big hands and play TAG ABC) if you are a bit out skilled, and even harder of course in HU PLO.

My thought is this: some years ago, Danny issued an all-comers, any-game HU match at the Wynn. The analysis around here was largely that Danny had no shot, seeing as his opponents could self-select. I don't remember all of the outcomes, but I believe Danny did fairly well. I remember this specifically because I FT'd a WSOP event in which I'd been playing next to him for a bit. After I busted, I wandered over to the Wynn and Danny and Barry G were playing HU 4k-8k stud on a 500k freezeout. Danny saw me on the rail and invited me to sit next to him and catch up for a bit as he played.

I do know that Danny is entirely capable of booking up on a specific game and doing so quickly. His card sense live is very good, and he has an insane degree of confidence. I'm of course biased in his favor -- he's quite likeable and he has always been a total gentleman to me personally -- but even with that, I think the delta between Joe and Danny is much much smaller than you suggest.

I think Joey is voluntarily handicapped by not wanting to give too much PLO strat away because he doesn't want to sell the goose that lays the golden eggs.

The only thing he *is* prepared to give away is that when you flop a pair, you now have a back door quad draw. Thanks for that one!

Haterz gonna hate

clearly your bias towards "danny" but google some hands hes plaid. judging by what he does with two cards i dont think adding two more is gonna help him.

I didn't know you guys were going to play a chess match!