@BustoutPoker (presumably Jeff Griffith?) on twitter:
"@jackwalls3 Sad to see how ignorant, judgmental, and venomous some poker players can be on forums! Even worse are the mods that allow it!"

So Bustout is not concerned by ucare's lack of transparency as some businesses might be. looks like they are friends and not just tshirt supplier/customer.

[QUOTE=DRybes;30164712

If you are telling the truth then it will take you seconds and back you up as legit.[/QUOTE]

Some would say the same thing about producing the 990's.

Some of the numbers on the 2009 spreadsheet are very suspect IMO.
Utilities for an entire year of $600.00 is only $50.00 a month.
Accounting cost was only $500.00 ( which could explain the lack of 990's being filed with the IRS)
The wackiest of course are the T-shirt numbers, the markup on his sales of those is 3.4x. That 3.4x seems pretty strong to me but I'm not in the T-shirt biz. ( maybe I should be )
The shear quantity of them though is what gets me......looking at their website they had maybe 12 events in 2010 with an avg field of 125 which is a total of 1500 runners. Some were probably repeats but giving him the benifit of the doubt if we divide 1500 into $161071.50 we get an avg cost of $107.31 per T shirt. and that's if EVERYBODY bought one. Looking at the photos I don't see anybody modeling T-shirts, so I'm not sure where they ended up. Even if there were 3000 sold that's still over $50.00 each. FYI Bust out poker T-shirts sell to the average shopper for between $19.95 and $49.00 on their web store. Not sure if that is relevant or not but from a cost comparison it is interesting. Seems like they are in the apparel business rather than the business of charity.

NovaSandler made a really good post above.

I didn't think it was really on the site so I was wondering where you got it or if you could show that. I incorrectly thought it was made for the occasion, but I see it was created in april of this year. I don't have any reason to doubt this, thanks for the explanation and disregard my tangent. I had my reasons for wanting to ask in light of today's events.

Yes that was a backhanded statement at PP, it wasn't warranted and I don't think it was correct either. I retract it.

My position in this thread started because I was part of a minority that thought it was decided too soon to destroy too much of this charity's reputation in exchange for the given incident. In forwarding information and documents I worry about the possibility that I am forwarding an agenda with it. It was not my intention to become a direct mouthpiece for the accused, but it seems that's what I've started doing since I messaged the bustout CEO this afternoon. PP has named who I've been corresponding with at bustout. I think I would prefer to let Jeff address any questions directed at himself and Jack from now on, if he so chooses, instead of acting as a proxy. Jeff, I know you read this thread, if you'd like to create an account and call me and tell me the name I can verify for the forum that it's you. The last thing I was told was just wait, the truth is all coming.

oh the irony

The regional "offices" are very likely maildrop addresses.

What the regional "office" is for is most likely to recruit Donation Collectors in a new territory.
The worker listed for that office on the UCARE website is probably the person given the franchise to work and coordinate that area.

This is, unfortunately, not uncommon.

Nice to know that if someone parts with a hard earned $10 bill, between $1.80 and $3.40 go into the pocket of the collector.
That is, if they are honestly reporting the cash collected.

Jeff, CEO of Bustout Poker:

Are you Jeff Griffith?

What if any is Bustout's financial relationship with the UCARE Poker Tournaments?

Jack's gf links to "Jeff Griffith -"""Owner/President at - ... Bustout Poker Apparel"

and figures have been stated of 46k paid for Tshirts - is that to Bustout Poker Apparel?

Does Bustout share in the 161k in merchandise sales?

I searched a bunch of them in Google maps - they mostly look like office buildings. The Google maps results list "businesses at this location," but none of the listed businesses for any of the regional site addresses I checked was UCARE.

The pictures of each location from the UCARE site were different than the pictures of the site on Google maps, but in most cases you could tell it was the same building. But I couldn't verify if UCARE actually occupied office space at the locations.

Agreed.
In addition to the points you made, I find it odd that so many of the figures are round numbers, many as though they were rounded to the nearest thousand:

Contributions Income 52,000.00
Program Fees (services) 4,000.00
Contributions/Gifts 82,000.00
Liability Insurance 2,000.00

the gifts 82k makes sense if they disperse in even 500 and 1k chunks

edit: or is that not the number for the money they used for cancer patients? either way if it is donations people donate even amounts right?

Yeah, it is coming alright.

It won't be coming from "Jack" or Bustout Poker though, I can guarantee that.

Not if it's people dropping loose change and emptying piggy banks into jars outside of supermarkets. What are the odds that those donations would just happen to total exactly $52k?

0.1%

Not only that, but it helps establish a pattern of stupidity.

1. Bring attention to your $100k+ multi-state scam by neglecting to send someone a $23 concert ticket.

2. Respond publicly and idiotically instead of just sending the guy his crappy prize.

3. Post ridiculous shill statement on obviously fake, new account from own IP address.

4. Round off (probably fake) dollar amounts on (most likely fraudulent) filings that are easily discoverable.

The phrase "penny wise, pound foolish" comes to mind. If the guy had spent just a few extra minutes here and there doing the bare minimum to remain even superficially legit he very likely would have continued his shady operations without scrutiny.

Drybes, some people may have been quick to rush to judgement, but you may be a bit too quick to exonerate.

The information you have been provided is little more than smoke and mirrors, IMO.

It is akin to the following exchange of information:

Q: I like Grapes. Does your product taste like grapes?

A: There are many varieties of grapes in the world, including grapes that have a unique flavor that many people enjoy. Our product is made to be enjoyed by many people, including those who like grapes. If you would like to know more about grapes, here is the information...(etc).

Q: Ok. So, you are saying that your product tastes like grapes, then?

A: We sell our product to grape lovers all over the world. Our research shows that people who love grapes and buy our product also buy grapes. If you were to ask people who love grapes and who bought our product if they love grapes, the answer would likely be one that shows that the grape lovers love grapes.

Q: Ok, thanks for answering my question?


Product may well taste like grapes, but I'm not convinced. And I certainly ain't gonna buy any of it.