I wonder who programmed the software in a way to see the hole cards, and what his demands would be to leak the story.. or maybe even testify

lol. Lets see, I have 8 in my inbox from you, and four in my outbox to you; two of which were direct responses to your queries and all were very civil. But I agree you have told me to **** off and accused me of some interesting stuff.

The animosity comes from three areas. This individual continues to claim to be withholding important information to the case for no good reason and routinely suggests the investigation could not exist without her. And most importantly she continues to pass off innuendo, gossip and rumor as indisputable facts which do more to hurt the credibility of this investigation than anything.

The reason she was not involved in the ongoing 2p2 investigations 2-3 years ago is best summarized by her in her blog.

"The secret to why I post there so little? It's because I'm cheap. I'd rather try to sell my words first or post them here than give 'em away for free."

I will say it right here. I am working on a possible book project about these cases. Its not that big of a secret I have PMd several folks about it. My perspective is the community is the strongest investigative tool; get the info out and let folks dig. Haley refuses to share info with Mookman saying he is a "loose cannon" but demands the reverse when he has something. She claims to have email traffic proving Tom was CEO after the sale (there is already an email out there but the more the merrier), additional iesnare screens and info linking people not on the cereus list.

I would rather solve the puzzle and sell my words later and that is the difference.

Mark Twain, Hunter Thompson and Steven Colbert collectively golf clap. Kevmath has provided an elegant solution to removing the humor (sp) from your sojourns here.

+1

common guys lets take it down a few notches

Haley and Grover will be our Woodward and Bernstein
and Mookman is Columbo

how about this query: was Mrs Dahaan's job to catch only unauthorized cheating?

Look left.
William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens and William Blake are turning in their graves.

they're not on the same side, and one doesn't know what the **** they're talking about

this is of course only my observation and i know neither of them personally

The sad part is no matter how many are named, they stole millions of dollars yet no one will spend one day in jail for fraud.

Well I am just going to keep on plugging away. First, looking into possible people that were at UB from the start, I mean the software people. Then later look into possible UB employees that may have helped Russ and Co. I found the Jeremy and Suanne Day story interesting, the fact that there were a variety of cheating methods going on, and all the while UB kept quiet.

On to the software. So IF the Wicked Chops story is true, then Greg Pierson asked his team to design a tool, with a delay, for Russ. Later, an independent contractor. I am not sure who Wicked Chops talked to, so I will gather some people named early on on 2+2 who may help. I will do this over a few posts, so here I go. Mind you I know nothing about software, or programming, etc.

The first person was a QA Engineer for IeLogic. I did not know what a QA Engineer does, so I found This Job Description
This job description seems rather fitting to this Tool Pierson made for Russ. Note this part: is required to use it both as recommended and also as not intended.

I found this guy, Jim Hendrie. He was a QA Engineer for Ielogic from March 2000 — July 2004 (4 years 5 months) and then later worked for Pierson's company Iovation, and still is employed there. Going by the timeline, he was working for Pierson around the same time Greg asked the tool be made for Russ. James Hendrie also owns 537,952 shares in Excapsa.

So perhaps he could be useful in helping solve this tool Pierson had written, unless he already has spoken to Wicked Chops or someone else. I am just guessing, but it seems Jim may be helpful in understanding what went on at UB in the early days, but maybe not. I'm not implying that this guy in anyway knew what was going on, but just thought he could be helpful if reached, but then again he may know nothing

Fat chance I'd work with the likes of EG, Rollo. So he's supposed to be a writer? A writer that won't stand behind his name (or even provide it) is in my opinion a disgrace to the job title. Then again, it could just be a ruse by some corporate type trying to plumb the depths of my and others' knowledge, which is more along the lines of what I've been suspecting.

That essay of his is so fail-heavy it can't even count as a level. Let's see:

"lol. Lets see, I have 8 in my inbox from you, and four in my outbox to you; two of which were direct responses to your queries and all were very civil. But I agree you have told me to **** off and accused me of some interesting stuff."

EG was instructed in said manner only after the two "FYP" posts and other blatant troll posts, and after he started e-mailing me about specific topics where I already said what I planned to for now. The PM count is correct, but it also ignores the PM's where I sent multiple replies about docket numbers and such that he wanted to look up, and therefore padded the count.

"The animosity comes from three areas. This individual continues to claim to be withholding important information to the case for no good reason..."

My reasons are good to me. If they're not good to him, I don't care. And good luck with that if anyone thinks trolling in such a blatant manner makes me change my mind.

"... and routinely suggests the investigation could not exist without her."

On an organized media basis, most outlets have given up the topic, and even Jen Newell packed it in several months back. EG can go ahead and wave Mook's banner, but Mook has no journalistic credence.

"And most importantly she continues to pass off innuendo, gossip and rumor as indisputable facts which do more to hurt the credibility of this investigation than anything."

As I said to EG in a PM, it's my own damn blog and I'll write what I want to in the style that I choose to for the purposes I deem necessary, without ever seeking his permission or approval. I'm quite aware that I've been poking sticks into cages to see what growls, but I've been doing so intentionally and with a purpose of design, with the willingness to correct any errors that come up, as I did today with the Jeremy Day thing. I'd dare say it's been pretty productive, too.

I don't know how this excerpt of EG's post from yesterday wouldn't qualify as innuendo, either:

"Suppose the situation was that this was an elaborate skim operation from the beginning and many of the big name pros were involved. They didn't play, they didn't allow their accounts to be used. They simply assented to a team being built of trusted nobodies which would take money off the top and distribute it amongst a broad group. It is not implausible."

What hypocrisy. Yeah, I get it. If true, EG wants to write a big shiny sexy blockbuster and if Phil Hellmuth was a crook, instead of just a no-morals pitchman (which are a dime a dozen), then that would be a great hook. It's no secret that I can't stand Hellmuth, as I told EG in one of those PM's he took the time to count. But if Hellmuth is innocent of the cheating itself -- and I have seen zero evidence and heard no stories suggesting his involvement -- then I will not knowingly accuse him of something he likely did not do. I will not stoop to that level.

"The reason she was not involved in the ongoing 2p2 investigations 2-3 years ago is best summarized by her in her blog.

"'The secret to why I post there so little? It's because I'm cheap. I'd rather try to sell my words first or post them here than give 'em away for free.'"

He's read my stuff back at least three years and that's the best he can find to trash me? God, that's wretched. Three years ago most of the threads dealing with the scandals were "lynch 'em" zoos that stretched hundreds and hundreds of pages with little more than incoherent screaming. Back then there was some interest on the part of poker media outlets to cover the story, but they've been cowed into submission over the last three years due to the general maturation of the online poker market and its dying affiliate-payment model. I'd still rather write the stories on my own blog, and if people want to talk about them here, that's their business. I decided to post here on occasion because people were asking me questions here and the opportunities to discuss these topics are far more limited than they used to be.

"I will say it right here. I am working on a possible book project about these cases..."

I can hardly wait. Next stop, remainder bin.

"Haley refuses to share info with Mookman saying he is a "loose cannon" but demands the reverse when he has something."

What a crock. EG needs to learn that Mook twists stories around from time to time to serve his own agenda, which is really just to be proven right on every one of his ideas. Some are good and some are outlandish. I wouldn't answer Mook's ever-pestering e-mails and PM's for over a year after the first time he burned me, which he sort of apologized for in a couple of other threads a few months back, but he shouldn't get too rambunctious or I will share that story in full, devil be damned as to the consequences. At the time of his apology I relented and allowed him to send me stuff that I had absolutely refused to even look at earlier, and he did do a ton of work and has uncovered plenty of good stuff.

HOWEVER... Any inference that I demanded evidence or information from Mook is a gross falsehood, and he sent me those KGC name files unbidden. These new twisty rumors that I'm the one that violated someone's confidence is terribly untrue. Fortunately for me, the topic came up in a PM I had with one of the mods here a few days back, and I was able to provide the lengthy e-mail correspondence that came with the files, including no asking for confidentiality, just an admission by Mook that "Joe will probably be mad at me for sharing these" or something along those lines.

I'm sure Mook and EG will have a nice honeymoon. Viva la difference!

"She claims to have email traffic proving Tom was CEO after the sale (there is already an email out there but the more the merrier), additional iesnare screens and info linking people not on the cereus list."

The more he trolls me, the longer I can wait to see what others write, such as whatever comes out of Chops' new series, good or bad, right or wrong. But I'm off on vacation; see ya in July. Or not. I really don't care.

"I would rather solve the puzzle and sell my words later and that is the difference."

I hope EG will outgrow the need to cite famous writers as defense for his faux-humor style between now and whenever this supposed book hits the stands. I used to do that **** 20 years ago before I learned how to write. And by the way, I'm pretty sure Mark Twain would've known the difference between "Its" and "It's". /grammarcop mode

Young writers are full of lit'ry pretensions and illusions of grandeur. Old writers acquire the wisdom to understand and accept that they were weren't so great after all.

Cya.

Doubt he will be helpful, he just picked up $15,800 on Monday from his ownership shares in Excapsa as they continue to unwind the company cash assets.

From the people handling the Excapsa liquidation:

http://www.wsbg.com/liquidation/Pres...15,%202010.pdf

And just to add, Leggett's latest blog:

http://blog.ultimatebet.com/2010/06/blogging-blogs/

while one may/can accuse mook of being overzealous at times he certainly comes across as less interested in always having to be right and more interested in asking questions and promoting discussion and keeping discussion alive than anyone else "working" on this.

everyone has an agenda. the infighting about whose is more legit/admirable is ridiculous. but anyone helping keep this alive is a friend of the community in some way.

Hear, Hear!

Mooks credibility or motivees shouldn't be questioned at all, especially not by the person that is questioning them.

He has served us a great deal by putting in alot of work most people don't even know about. He has done whatever he can to try and keep this story alive when alot of people are apathetic.

Everyone that plays poker on line owes him some form of gratitude.