I'm starting a new thread for this because it really has nothing to do with the Potripper situation and because there is some behind the scenes jockeying I don't fully understand.

For the record, an individual near and dear to 2p2 hearts who has a famous poker playing father and receives compensation from CEREUS sent two seperate files to Mookman containing user names, account IDs and the online screennames they were associated with.

In the files were several fake names which one might assume the cheaters created. In addition there are several names such as the Makars and Bajayo who have long since been outed on 2p2.

Finally there were a few additional names which probably would not surprise people who know Russ Hamilton. They appear to be friends and business acquaintances and seem to fit in to the puzzle. Two of those were revealed in the previous thread; Natalie DiGioia and Ron Saccavino. These folks are now allegedly cheating entities based on information provide by CEREUS; ie CEREUS is alleging they are cheaters.

We have no idea about many things concerning this list but one thing we do know is that the supplier could not have provided it to Mook with the expectation it would remain secret, hence it is an officially leaked document.

Second, we have no hard information about what the names mean. No IP or iesnare screens to back up their activity. While I applaud Haley for her efforts she seems to be suggesting she knows information about these names without providing any background on where the information is coming from. To my knowledge she got the list from Mook.

Third, I applaud Mook for continuing to struggle with this. I would imagine the threat from Ron got him thinking a little. He has stated anyone who wants the list should PM him.

The list I have seen has 22 individual names and seven names of people connected to the company with more lack of clarity why they showed up. Lyle Berman is in this second group but if anyone is ever able to pin a tail on that horse, then they have a career ahead in private dicking. Those names seem to be in the list to me just to confirm various individuals with a peripheral connection to the case who 2p2 identified from their efforts vs an actual confirmation by the company.

Its not about what you know, its about what you can prove.

so from what i gather, you claim to have seen an internal UB list with 22 alleged cheaters? there's no actual proof of cheating, it's just a list. am i missing something?

cliffs op

Nope, you are exactly right. So the first question is why did UB release a partial list of cheaters with real people attached to accounts known to cheat? In the case of the one name above, the player did win a 10k aruba satty on a cheating name and did show up to play it so there is some compelling circumstantial evidence with him and another name on the list.

I think this is why the list remained confidential for so long. Nobody really understands what Cereus is trying to do with the names and well afterall they are Cereus so its hard to give them the benefit of the doubt as to their motives.

is the list going to made public?

So basically they outed a list of accused cheaters consisting of names already outed by 2+2 community, with the exception of a couple, and no real useful information, a summary of what we already know. I wonder how many names are missing that are still connected with Cereus, or have interests with Cereus. Throwing the 2+2 community a bone and hoping it's not hungry for more and will accept this as final findings ?

So the thing is; the list has 22 names with the KGC report saying there were 31 names. The list doesn't account for all of the screennames obviously so we are left with the fact that CEREUS outed several people previously unconnected or at least not connected directly. Most of these names are not heavy players and have businesses which might suffer under the weight of incriminations so it almost seems like a dare of some sort by the company.

So, does this document Sebok sent have all 31 names?

Well since I was the one the list was sent to, and I already pissed off enough people, I see no reason why I should not just post the lists. I had them since February and nothing has come of it, except me getting threatened, called untrustworthy, etc.

UB Cheaters Names Part 1

UB Cheaters Names Part 2

My Research Into the names

So Part 1 and Part 2 are the first two links. These are what was sent to me.

The 3rd link, which right now is not working properly, is my own research into the cheating names, as well as other names that have come up. It was an MS Excel document. If there is another site to post it please let me know, scribd seems to not take Excel.

I am not directly accusing anybody in the 3rd document, it is just a combination of data available by searching the internet combined with 2+2 theories. It also includes some other info that was just interesting, helpful, or people that may know something, or who could be of some help. Not all the people I have included would be guilty of any cheating

yawn

way to go mook! let's see what 2p2 can do with the great start that you provided.

just curious, why did you sit on this since Feb?

I was going to work on something with a few people. After a long time had passed, not much communication, and Haley's latest blogs that proved Paul Leggett likely lied and that the new management at UB were involved in some sort of coverup, I did not like what was going on.

I told the people I was working with I did not trust the list, and that more info was needed. After not hearing much from my source, I decided to send it to Haley since she was making the most ground. When I sent the list, it pissed of my source who then got upset with me.

Haley proved many of the names were indeed fakes.

I chose not to sit on it any longer and something needed to be done, so Haley went to work on it. This thread just made it seem logical to post, since it was coming out anyway.

I'm sure he was concerned it might piss some people off. And it did when Ron threatened to rip his ****ing tongue out.

Hello Russ!

I dunno if this means anything but the name of Thomas King from List #1 has an address listed in Miami, FL which doesn't exist in a zip code code which isn't in Miami.

I assume a bunch of those addresses and phone numbers are either incorrect or ficticious, so if that's the case, then my findings don't account for ****. Sorry for wasting ur time, lol.