+1...and please find a more productive way to spend your hours.

Are you specifically referring to professional poker players who have quit high-paying jobs to pursue a career in poker?

I haven't really followed this drama. I read about it a bit last night and I am confused why this is such a big topic. MD just seems like a huge POS. Am I missing something? Is there a rational argument to be pro-Dentale?

Interesting, my post was deleted where in I provided some context on why somebody would leave a 500k salary job and how it is being a lawyer - which is discussed in this thread. Who deleted it and why?

I deleted it. That link is considered "too political" for this thread.

This thread has teetered on being atrocious for quite a while now, and adding that link would surely have pushed it over the edge.

Besides, if Cate Hall or anyone else wants to change jobs (or quit their job), we don't need to delve into all the possible reasons why they did so.

correct

+1

geez the hate on cate is real I guess

My reading is that these arguments basically all boil down to "women are the rake".

Obviously nonsense. To question why somebody with her impressive career would change jobs to poker is obviously valid and in line with the current discussion. And IF it did mess up the thread you could have deleted the post and follow up posts. But you decided right away that it "surely"(lol whatever, you have no idea how the discussion would go after this and if people would even respond/watch) would push the thread over edge. What a nonsense. I guess it didn't fit your own narrative.

I understand her choice. The poker dream is very alluring. The reality is far different than the dream though. Unfortunately she made a mistake. You live and learn.

Do you ever get tired of being sexist?

So what you're saying is that he acts like nearly every other big money degen that plays poker regularly. And an awful poker player to boot? Oh the horror. Can't have players like that at the table!

Hasn't it been long confirmed that Bill Perkins likes burning money in prop bets? But seriously, this bet was like 5 cents to him?

I was mostly referring to professional poker players who have been fired from high-paying jobs. I suppose some have quit too, but I haven't seen any proof that Cate quit.

Why is it so important what Cate Hall earned prior to poker? Poker is so full of people that like to overstate their net worth and nobody seems to care.

Dentale dumps tons of money in poker
It's gotta come from somewhere

What a load of bs.people are going to call.bs on anyone who claims to make 500k a year who quits to play tournament poker and 2/5 NL.

Now if there is one professionion where someone would quit deposited making a ton of money it's being a lawyer since they're almost all miserable at their jobs.

how much would a 6th year big law associate going in-house typically make their first year?

wait what idk who you talk to and maybe our experiences are just different but it's a running theme among my group of poker friends that literally every mtt pro and every live pro lies about how much they make and that the vast majority are delusional about their abilities thinking that if they weren't so unlucky they really would be making that much. Didn't Polk even do a video about how much poker pros really make? Poker is a world of egotistical morons who value their worth as a person on poker ability so get insanely jealous when people they perceive as worse than them make more money or don't struggle as much as they do. So you simultaneously have a bunch of people lying about how much they make and also a bunch of people who give a **** how much other people make. Then when someone doesn't like someone else they lash out by questioning how much they make.

I'm sure there's an element of sexism and certain men who derive their masculinity from their perceived poker skills (*cough Dentale *cough) will probably question a woman more, but I promise you dick-swinging with money claims (from I make more money, I'm richer, etc.) happens plenty in poker and it almost always does not involve a woman, mainly because there are so few female poker pros.

As for your friend who claims she makes that much at plo, I'd imagine the questioning has less to do with sexism and more to do with the fact that if she does that she's making 6 figures and there are not very many live pros doing that who aren't playing 10/20+ and your description didn't make it seem like it was a very big game. If it's 10/20+ it's perfectly reasonable, 5/10 it means she's one of the better pros in the game, 2/5 or lower and it means she would have to be pretty much the best live plo player in the world or in the softest live plo game to make that consistently. fwiw I don't think people are as likely to say it to their face but I've heard plenty of men say behind other men's (who claim to be poker pros) back that their wife is probably making the real money.

The hate, aggression and skepticism towards Cate is simply mind boggling, not just itt but from everywhere..
We as an industry should consider ourselves lucky that she has chosen to be a part of poker. She comes from the "real" world and lends credibility to an industry that has been wrought with scandal, theft, uncertainty and is generally misunderstood by the public.
It's not often we get fresh blood and over-achieving industry transfers like her, who bring an educated mind and sense of logic to everything that is wrong (and tries to help fix) within our industry.
We need help to keep poker alive and our chances are a lot better with a diverse population.

Please think of the bigger picture here and how we want to continue attracting new players to the game not just for $ purposes but for survival ones.

Agree with your first sentence, I honestly don't see how anyone could take Dentale's side with this. He seems like a scumbag lowlife and Cate at least seems like a good intelligent person.

But the rest is just plain wrong. Literally everyone in poker is hurt from good intelligent people choosing to play poker money-wise, and society loses whenever intelligent people who could pursue things that actually make the world a better place focus their talents on poker. That's nothing against her and no one has any obligation to do anything other than what helps them the most and makes them the happiest. But the human race certainly loses when intelligent people who could succeed in industries that have a demand for talent (they weren't giving her 500k for kicks, she was clearly providing a lot of value) instead choose to play a negative sum game for a living. Her playing poker hopefully helps herself, her friends, and her family. But beyond that having an intelligent person choose poker as a profession is a pretty bad result for literally everyone else.

I see what you are saying, but what are the chances she stays 100% in poker for the rest of her life? Prob not great.
People like Cate who have the ability to succeed in multiple areas in life are wonderful and she is no doubt one of them. I fully expect her to take her talents elsewhere at some point, which will no doubt benefit society in some way. We have her (full time) likely for a short period of time. So let's learn from her and try to improve our industry!

And who knows...there's always the chance that the professional 'break' poker is providing for her (or any other over-achieving industry transfer) is just the next step in the grand plan of how they move on to do something to change the world

(Not saying Cate will change the world, just speaking in general)

Yea can't possibly be the **** she tweets constantly and her giant ego from running hotter than the sun in tournaments.

What kind of poker room in US offers $500 HU matches? What does that even mean? Is it a SNG freezout? Again, I can not imagine a poker room giving a table and a dealer for a $500 HU match.

And how is usually winning a live HU any testiment to skill?

Personally, after listening to Doug's interviews with Mike Dentale and Cate Hall, I find both of them kind of insufferable. Maybe Mike a little bit more than Cate, but not by much.

No no no, you must choose a side.

anyone know who Cate Halls ex husband is? he's obviously the source of why she hates men lol

My brother had a big law job that was paying big bucks and hated it. But he stayed with it until he started to get the sense that he wasn't likely to be made partner in one of those big firms, which is where the real money is at.

The partnerships and the really big bucks are reserved for the people who can bring high paying clients through the door, and that wasn't my brother and I suspect it isn't Cate either.

I think he was with his firm for about 7 years as well. I'm not sure what alternative paths were available once it became clear that partner at a big firm wasn't likely in the cards. The firm was eager to have him stay on as a salaried lawyer but I'm not sure for how long. Also perhaps partnership at a less prestigious firm might have been an option if he was willing to search for clients.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cate hit a similar wall with her career because I think it's very common. That makes more sense than the explanation of searching simply for happiness.