So Dentale makes all sorts of unsubstaniated claims about his own financial success in the interview. Why has no one asked him for any sort of evidence of this?

There are actually many more immediately available pieces of evidence of Cate's success outside poker than his, so I can't understand why anyone would be inclined to doubt her except outright misogyny.

it's like his 10th one of those itt, he does that in every thread

not having him on ignore is a forum leak

Just stop u ***** cringe king

ive never understood how come this Mike is such a drama queen. every time i see him play he cries about something he doesn't like.

Nice exaggeration +rep_lol, not that you can see this because you have chosen ignorance. At the poker table I would pick up lots of reads and information from you, but you would pick up nothing from me because you are ignorant.

I introduced a new aspect to this thread which is the intelligence of the two players. To explore this subject it needed a long post. I then defended / debated some of the points I made with other posters, and my posts have spawned other interesting discussions.

I've pretty much said all I want to say ITT for now, so unless something majorly develops in the HU situation I won't be posting much aside from defending myself if I need to.

In the meantime I would like to wish everyone good luck and good skill at the tables, and in everything else in life.

I'm sure that must be true but after watching her interview with Doug I wasn't impressed. She had trouble formulating complete thoughts and sentences. Seemed rather slow-witted to me. Not sure how she'd be able to argue a case convincing in a courtroom with that level of verbal skill.

Because it's an easier way to live.

And also, as you said, to keep it honest. He said good things about her and was prepared to look at her from several angles to find those positives. That he did that shows that there are positives to his character. It could be argued that she was actually keeping it dishonest by conveniently zoning in on just the bad things about him and refusing to look at the good.

Yes, we all need to strive for more honesty.

I think Mike is a bit psycho and all that jazz about grabbin a ***** by the hair and dragging her round the block etc. Yeah okay Mike stfu you fool, no one cares where you are from as it's no excuse, have some manners and don't talk like that, even hypothetically.

Cate would be more my type of person, but maybe she too should of taken that opportunity to show him some more respect.

Some expert insight into what makes a good lawyer here!

She said she was a commercial contract lawyer. She probably never set foot in a courtroom to represent a client, and very unlikely would need to do so regularly as an advocate.

In any event, your criticism appears to be a response to her thinking about what she was saying rather than just blurting out what immediately came to mind. Doing so is a virtue for good lawyers.

how does mike run deep in any tournaments? he is a tilt monkey.

Sage, you are delusional.

I was just about to ask you to post about yourself...I'm not even kidding either. So thanks for posting your Hendon!

With professional poker players, it's nearly always a personal defect.

Very interesting! We seem to look at people in different ways. I tend to put all people in one of two groups. They are either someone I want to play poker with or they are someone that I don't give a **** if I play poker with. The first time I ever saw Dentale I thought: "I want to play poker with him" and the fact that he may be some sort of super genius has not changed my mind in the slightest.

Does trolling ever get old ???

Mike Dentale is Jersey Roid Rage version of Phil Hellmuth.

No, because even after she took an inordinate amount of time to collect her thoughts she was unable to express complete, coherent sentences, stopping in the middle with a blank expression on her face. If you watch Doug while she's speaking you can actually see him fighting to keep his eyes open.

You're probably right about her being a back-room legal mind rather than a courtroom lawyer. In that role she would be rewarded by the firm for taking excessive amounts of time to complete her thought work; more billable hours.

That was sweet - thanks for posting.

Remember how much ike paused when he was on JRE? That guy's so stupid I'm surprised he can even tie his own shoes.

I think poker is a very interesting and surprising career choice for someone as intelligent as Cate. I think she could go down any intellectual path and be pretty damn successful considering her work ethic and IQ, so why would she choose poker - mainly for freedom like she said on twitter? That seems weird, in poker you have to grind it out to and on unusual hours with unusual people! I'm sure she could find jobs where she has a lot of free time and still make a good amount of money and where she also contributes to society(i think she finds this important in general from what i see on her twitter).

I also think "freedom" doesn't make a person necessarily happy but responsibility and trying to hit goals are more fulfilling. Poker is something where you try to achieve goals but they are kinda shallow to base your life around and they solely benefit yourself. How fulfilling and meaningful are poker goals and especially for a person as smart and caring as Cate? Some people really love games and gambling all day everyday but these people are quite unique imo and I wonder how many of them really have that much "freedom". You have to be obsessed with it, right?

Anyway, I wish her all the best.

My opinion, which I stated earlier, he is a man she is a woman. So far as I can tell it has only been MEN who cannot believe her claim. I don't even know how many male poker players I've heard make bold claims about their earnings and success and I've never heard anyone ask for proof.

My female friend who is known as a very competent PLO player in our area claimed that she was averaging $2,300 a week from a juicy PLO cash game and all these dudes couldn't believe her. They didn't ask for proof (as there's really no way to prove that) but they just piled on and concluded that maybe she has made that much once or twice...but not consistently. Let's not forget that she 100% plays poker to support herself and has 2 kids at university...to which some dudes responded "it's probably her husband who pays the bills". As a female who earns 80% of the money in my household I find that incredibly sexist. Not to mention that it is well known that she regularly takes $500 HU matches against tourists and usually wins.....but obviously she's lying/exaggerating.

Now, dudes in our same circle make similar claims all the time and nobody really bats an eyelash.

I realize that for a female to post anything on 2+2 that they believe any sexism is occuring is highly controversial and likely to be belittled. That doesn't change my opinion one bit.

I'm not surprised Cate became disillusioned with the law and took her chance to try something else when it seemed genuinely viable, even though she is clearly smart and was successful. Many lawyers I know (including me, to some extent) are too, but it is tough to give up a vocation which both pays well and which you put yourself through years of hard work and stress to attain.

Having said that, with her success (and in her particular field) she would not find it difficult at all to go back to it in a few years time if she needed or wished to do so. It's becoming much more common for lawyers to take career breaks for a few years nowadays, usually for the purposes of raising children, but the point being that the time away is not particularly problematic. It is therefore less of a risk than it might seem and certainly not an irrevocable decision.

I agree I've always noticed 2plus2 is a bit more sexist then the real world. Trickett's gf got pages and pages of abuse for saying something innocuous in response to something negative said to her or Trickett if I remember correctly. Just in general 'women are the rake' and stupid stuff like that is treated as words of wisdom by a fair chunk of posters here and has been since I have been on here.

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Generally, woman are the rake would be a fairer statement
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There are people here (and on Twitter) who are friends of Dentale and or like him, his antics, shenanigans, etc. I even recall at times people such as Matt Glantz calling him 'good for the show' as he is entertaining, goes on tilt easily, blasts off, and behaves in ways that increase viewership.

Then there are people who hate Dentale, because either they detest his persona portrayed by his social/public posts, or they have played with him on the circuit for a long time, have seen his angle shoots, his behavior, etc.

I don't really 'know' either of these two. Besides what we see/hear, and small sample size of experience we have playing with them in tourneys/cash games, it is hard to judge them fairly. But I can say this for absolute certainty, that there has never been a single time I have played with Dentale, which is probably 15-20 times in various cash games, that he has not exhibited the utmost douchiness and detestable behavior as a poker player or a person. He is a bully, always has been, always will be, and an awful poker player with a lot of money to burn, and welcome at any table for any stakes (it's actually funny how grinders run to his tables when he shows up at a casino).

I personally have no vested interest here, don't know Cate at all, and could care less about these comical (but entertaining) matches, but anyone calling Dentale a 'good guy' is delusional and any pro player with limited knowledge of his behavior, antics, angle shoots, banishments from multiple casinos, calling him 'good for the game' or 'seems like a nice guy away from his tweeter rants', etc., is doing a disservice to the poker community by calling this clown anything but a reprehensible human being/poker player.

How about 'prostitutes and some women are the rake', hmm not really as snappy.

Somewhat disagree. Even Bill Perkins had his doubts. 500K, even for an excellent attorney in NY/DC/LA is a very high compensation level, especially at her age and years of experience. But clearly her legal talent is superb and she may be amongst the very few able to get such a package.

Always good to inherit a profitable family business..sometimes, if it's the right business, even monkeys can't fu*& it up.