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Do the people assuming Cate will get coaching and/or sell action have any clue that that's the case? I don't know her personally, but we have mutual friends and her poker ability seems to be respected among them. And I don't see why we should just assume someone who plays the tournies she does, has had the recent success she's had, would offer a challenge like this with the intent of selling a bunch (or any) of it.

Also, wrt the variance of this match, while it's true that there will be a ton of it & winning this match doesn't prove who the better player is, that doesn't make this match pointless. Both clearly seem to think they have an edge on the other, and if you have the $ and have an edge why wouldn't you take this opportunity?

Never knew who she was until this thread and my God, her Twitter is absolutely awful.

You could watch each of them play a session of hungry hungry hippos, grade them 1-10 and compare the two, it would have approximately as much predictive value as your analysis thus far.

http://imgur.com/a/Mwkdr You realize this is the guy she is challenging to a format he doesn't even play?

In other news, can we set the rake high enough that there's a reasonable chance both lose? According to my calculations, I do believe this is the only way society can benefit.

reminds me of when I bet against a guy who said he could play 20k hands (this was back when you could only 12-table on stars) in a day. he wanted to do the bet for motivation to grind more. He hit the 20k hands, so I lost the bet, but he wound up losing a ton in the session, so yeah at least it was mutually detrimental

Who suggested the date in the future (I honestly have no idea/not gonna read the whole thread)? That person doesn't really want to play imo.

The person accepting the date in the future (without pushing for sooner/calling the other person out for it) also isn't super confident/eager imo.

(^^^ is all very stupid if there is some legit reason they can't play sooner/I'm just another lazy, ignorant **** posting on the internet in that case lol)

Regardless, from a distance this seems like a smart, punk rockish, young chick (who is prob very green wrt poker- tanking 10 minutes wtf!) vs a less smart "bro" (who is prob pretty seasoned/better at poker than most people think). Very interesting imo. I'm tempted to bet on Dentale if he's the dog, but I hope she wins/at least makes a good showing.

This hu match, if done/covered correctly, could actually be pretty amazing for poker imo. Billie Jean King vs whoever that was all over again. We could really use a flooding of these 2 demographics in the poker world imo.

dgaf i'll lay you my 220 to your 200. i'll take hall (never played with either). since i lost some btc on hillary, what more is 220 more on hall.

quote or pm to book

I had hillary too. Make the adjustment man .

I'd take that price if it were gonna happen soon. Gonna hold out for something better if it's in March or whatever.

Some east coast pro needs to factor in everything and set the line.

This from Event Promoter after taking some heat from someone on Twitter for the event.

Im not sure what Matt is talking about bout it sounds like he thinks this cage match helps poker.

Im not sure why he thinks that but bringing continous flow of new people (i.e. buyins) into game has always been lifeblood and should the goal anyone purporting to help the game.

Please tell me he doesn't think that this will help bring more woman into the game.

IMO Mike Dentale and the various permutations of this basic character in the poker world is one of the MAIN reasons more woman don't play.

Why promote the type of guy that drives people (er woman) away from game. Sort of like promoting cancer as a product feature of tobacco.

Sure, many current poker players will enjoy watching this event and you will get some clicks, but really dont see how this helps bring new players to game and will only reinforce many potential female players perceptions about why they don't play.

this and GPL must be the two least exciting things to ever happen in poker

To the non-misogynistic outsider, Dentale is the villain and Hall is the heroine. If she a) stands up to the villain (that's what she has been doing, right?) and then b) makes a good showing for herself (it's more important that she handle herself well than she play well imo) it could actually be a pretty big step in the right direction wrt diversity in the poker world imo.

If she wins the match, that's great. But really what matters is that she continues to be witty and tough and that the media blows this thing up AMAP. Doesn't matter that neither are prob very good at live hunl (~ 0% of viewers will be able to really decipher anyways), they are polar opposites it seems and the dynamic of their grudge/hatred is very interesting from afar/it parallels the recent election divide.

Women are the next boom (if there is to be another one) imo.

I keep following this twitter war and wondering to myself how anyone thinks they are both equally horrible. Seems pretty obvious to me that Hall > Dentale (as in Dentale is worse, by far), although obviously neither comes off amazingly. Is this just a problem with Americans in general? An inability to discriminate between two not ideal choices? Is that why we have president elect Trump?

To redirect my derail: I would definitely watch this if it had some decent production value/commentating. There is so little good poker content and I'm desperate.

Just in case it hasn't been posted, Dentale is also a scumbag (he's the villain in this hand) http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-tl-dr-372382/

I have no idea why Hall bothers to give attention to that clown, seems pretty unGTO to get invested in all that drama, but Dentale really is one of the most insufferable, moronic characters in poker and has the IQ of a walnut. I also predict that there's like 2% chance Dentale will actually play for any sort of meaningful money because he's going to be quite an underdog.

@Chuck,

It may well be that Dentale has no shame at all, but I think he'll have a tough time backing out of this. He has gone after her pretty hard and he's in for some mockery if he runs away.

I would guess that Hall could sell 100 per cent of her action and do so at a premium.

why can't they sort this out in an octagon?

The (grey market) betting market ITT has Cate Hall ~55% to win and Mike Dentale ~45% so Chuck Bass should give Brian Hastings ITT, and any others who want the bet the +120 they want on Mike Dentale, because quote: Chuck Bass says, "Mike Dentale has the IQ of a Walnut."

I agree that Cate Hall is a favourite, but maybe not by much because of Mike Dentale's greater experience in live cash games. Perhaps he plays more of a feel/instinct game and she plays more of a technical game, but I think the feel/instinct game for live poker is under rated by some on line players.

I don't know much about Mike Dentale other than seeing some clips of him at the table and talking in hands he is in. But he states he is a business owner and some other people / Google searches say it's a window company he owns.

So I bet lots of on line players are turning their noses up at someone whose business makes/sells/installs windows, based on those players being MIT or computer science types, and him probably not.

Again, this may be a mistake. A friend of mine in Australia has pretty much the same business, it is a glass business.

If a few of us, all of a similar age, have a quiz or are discussing history or politics or something a bit highbrow he is usually, not always, a bit behind the pace.

However, out of our group of friends he is easily the sharpest (no glass pun intended) on a lot of other things, such as general problem solving, both practical and strategic, and he is the most dynamic of the group and has the quickest wit.

So there are different forms of intelligence and the practical (non academic) type of person often has a broader spectrum of intelligence and abilities covered, whereas the academic person often greatly excels in a few areas but is hopeless in many others.

Obviously I am going to get flamed again for my "random" assertions, and of course a glass company owner in Australia is not the same person as a window company owner in the U.S.A.

However, the principle still applies, do not underestimate the overall intelligence or ability of a person based on them excelling at practical things more so than academic things.

Being good at practical things requires a lot of intelligence too.

Incidentally, Mike Dentale recently tweeted to Cate Hall: "I run rings around people like you, in real life", so he is not short of confidence, or maybe bravado. Which of the two it is hard to tell.

Chicago Joey Ingram says in another thread that he may be having Mike Dentale on his podcast soon. That will be very interesting if it happens.

Can't be arsed to go through all the twitter wars and too many tangents to actually organize this, but I'd bet money at even odds that this won't happen at stakes that would have Dentale risk a 5-figure amount. He just seems like a classic generic big mouth type of roidrager. I predict that he's going to somehow blame Hall on some Trump-esque makeshift excuse that makes no sense and then back out.


edit: and yeah obviously in some 300-hand format it's gonna be close to 50-50, no one is going to be a huge favorite since it's basically all variance. At 55-45 I'd prolly bet on Dentale if the match is more or less guaranteed to only a last a couple of hundred hands. But if the bet also included a clause where the one to back off is the loser I would bet infi on Hall.

ya but, Dentale and the likes are one primary reason many many woman dont like playing in live poker settings. Not sure how this does anything but perpetuate and glorify that disgusting aspect of poker in the minds of half the potential market that we currently get about no market share from.

does not compute if goal is to "help the game" as alleged by Matt. Unless help the game is defined as attract more Dentale types.

no you're gonna get flamed cuz your posts are just way too long. there might be something interesting in your walls of text, but all I see are walls of text

When someone stands up to the bully publicly, all those who have been bullied by him are suddenly empowered/much less scared.

(^^^ if Dentale is the personification of what keeps females from playing poker like you say- I know next to nothing about him)

Regardless, famous women poker players are great for poker. And a poker heroine would be beyond amazing imo. Hall seems capable of slaying this dragon with her wit and resilience- based on the back 'n' forth I've seen. Playing well and/or winning the match is not nearly as important as her, "**** you, let's play *******/I won't back down" attitude imo.

sidenote: I strongly disagree 300 hands is all variance if stacks are reasonably deep.

quite true in general.

However, given the choice of playing poker with stereotypical goons in a poker room, and not playing poker, females as a whole will continue to choose to not spend time with goons cuz thats what they feel poker rooms are full of.

This cage match.... against this goon.... will just enforce and perpetuate that

wp cage match/poker promoters

Mike really needs to hit her where it hurts. The only way anyone would care about this HU match is to make it a "loser leaves the WSOP for one year".


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300h you would need to be an 8bb winner to have a 5% edge
i put std at 110 bc hu but i figure neither of them is aggro, mb should still be a bit higher tho

considering both are most likely really bad at hunl it would prob only take each an hour or two of coaching to gain that edge on the other

How about "loser quits twitter for a year"?

he used to be a hells angel too