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12-22-2010 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
You may full all the people some of the time, you can even full some of the people all of the time, but you cannot full all of the people all the time.
I read a book one time called Fulling Some of the People All of the Time. It was fool of interesting facts.

http://www.amazon.com/Fulling-Some-People-All-Time/dp/0470073942
12-22-2010 , 03:03 PM
i cashed a $1000 Flamingo chip at OShea's once and had no issue.
12-22-2010 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by provotrout
I read a book one time called Fulling Some of the People All of the Time. It was fool of interesting facts.

http://www.amazon.com/Fulling-Some-People-All-Time/dp/0470073942
And it was written by David Einhorn, who finished 18th in the WSOP main event and donated his entire winnings of $659,730 to The Michael J. Fox Foundation.

12-22-2010 , 03:18 PM
I know that Harrahs keep track of all the 5k+ chips, so the Bellagio probably do too. If that is the case, they may not honour these or other rouge 5k+ chips.
12-22-2010 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gav800
It's $1.5m and the Casinos are massive tight-asses on even $5 going missing.

My bet is that they buy/build an automatic chip scanner and scan every single chip that is cashed in for the next 12-24months. Then every time they get a stolen chip, they take down the name/number/address of the person as well as their story about how they got the chip.

Then if they ever catch the thief, figure out where all the money trails came from / went to and figure out how to some-what justify paying off the fewest amount of honest people with stolen chips that they can.

Casino's ain't gonna give nobody a charity.
really doubt this. wouldnt a casino have insurance in place for instances such as this.
12-22-2010 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CardsNbooze
Easy retirement plan. Put them in a safety deposit box for 10-15 years and botta bing, good as gold.


Statute of limitations for robbery in Nevada is 4 years.


I guess the robber can hide the $5K and $25K dorrar chips somewhere for that amount of time.
12-22-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
And it was written by David Einhorn, who finished 18th in the WSOP main event and donated his entire winnings of $659,730 to The Michael J. Fox Foundation.

Sounds like a genuinely nice guy. These kind of people make great ambassadors for poker. I guess by his nature he is not one for the spotlight, great shame
12-22-2010 , 04:40 PM
einhorn is finkle, finkle is einhorn
12-22-2010 , 04:57 PM
The guy from Vegas known as RobinHood702 who gives his casino winnings to families in debt has put up a reward for anyone that can come forward with information leading to the arrest of the robber. I'm really hoping that this guy gets caught soon because if not, we are going to see this sort of thing happening more and more. Especially in these times where everyone is struggling to make ends meet.

So the Robinhood guy is giving $50,000 as a reward. I put up the whole story at the link below if you want to read more about it.

http://www.casinofan.com/blog/robin-...rehension.html
12-22-2010 , 05:23 PM
I was just wondering if the Bellagio could just invalidate all the $25,000 chips currently in use and change the chip design. Of course they would have to allow enough time for those who store those chips to exchange them. Then, after that period is up, the stolen chips are worthless. Doable?
12-22-2010 , 05:32 PM
12-22-2010 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by invictus-1
wat
12-22-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ThisKid$Tough
i tried to cash a 1K chip for an under aged friend one time and they damn near launched a federal investigation... had to get the poker room mgr vouch for me that i was playing 40/80 earlier that day.
Pretty much this. I tried to swap 3 1K's during WSOP time and nearly got arrested. I was really surprised as how stringent they were. She basically told me I needed to leave quickly, or else my chips would be taken from me. The lady who wouldn't cash them for me said it was largely because they didn't want someone to take out a large marker(loan) and then give it to his friend to cashout. Makes sense I guess.

I'm pretty sure this guy can eventually get his money cashed in, but any plan I can think of involves lots of waiting and probably paying a vig eventually.

As someone else said, 1K's would be much easier than 25K's.

Last edited by ZBTHorton; 12-22-2010 at 08:32 PM.
12-22-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlesBronson
Sell larger chips to the mob at a big discount and let the mob worry about cashing the $5K, $25K dorrar chips.


[?] Profit
lol at trusting the mob.

After a few transactions they'll just kidnap you, or family member and demand all your 25k chips for free.
And then probably kill you anyway.
12-23-2010 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by The Three Alls
lol at trusting the mob.

After a few transactions they'll just kidnap you, or family member and demand all your 25k chips for free.
And then probably kill you anyway.
Wow you seem to know a lot about the "mob". You should do an Ask Me thread in OOT.
12-23-2010 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CardsNbooze
Easy retirement plan. Put them in a safety deposit box for 10-15 years and botta bing, good as gold.
WRONG.

A casino can cancel a make or model of chips at any time deeming them worthless. Here's how they do it. Let's say the Bellagio, Wynn, Encore etc want to get rid of their old model $100 chips. They put a legal ad in the back of the Las Vegas Review Journal for a certain amount of weeks and give a certain amount of time for all the outstanding chips to be brought to the cage for redemption. Once the specified date and time passes the chip is worthless.

Just found this! Here's the notice cancelling the Bellagio 25k chips in todays paper.

http://www.legalnotice.org/pl/review...howNotice.aspx

PUBLIC NOTICE Redemption of Bellagio Chips Effective December 22, 2010 Pursuant to Regulation 12.070(2)(c) of the Nevada State Gaming Control Board, effective December 22, 2010, the Bellagio Casino Hotel is discontinuing the standard $25,000 denomination gaming chip which is red with gray inlay and V shaped rose insert. These chips may be redeemed 24 hours a day at the Bellagio Main Casino Cage through April 22, 2011. PUB: Dec. 21, 24, 28, 31, 2010 LV Review-Journal

Hey B robber, congratulations, after April 22nd you have some really nice home game chips.
12-23-2010 , 03:04 AM
I'd like to have them for my home game. That'd be pretty cool!
12-23-2010 , 03:17 AM
so what have we learned from all this? Just take all the 1k chips and 500. Be easy to get away with about 200k on a craps table, maybe more.
12-23-2010 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CardsNbooze
Easy retirement plan. Put them in a safety deposit box for 10-15 years and botta bing, good as gold.
Ahhhh, not so much.
12-23-2010 , 03:27 AM
IMO this strongly suggests that there are no super-secret security measures in place, and that bellagio is scared chitless. Seems their only recourse is to terminate that particular chip.


And lets get realistic regarding ease of cashing in.

Once the robber has 25-50k or so available, he can easily buy into a high stakes table/poker game with that cash and slip the 5k's into his stack (which already has 5k's in it) and obv change them from there. After that, do the same thing with the 25k chips! At this point, you'll be recognized as a high stakes player from past pl,ay, so if you get caught you can simply play dumb.

Am i missing something or is this super logical?


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Originally Posted by KingBBinLV
WRONG.

A casino can cancel a make or model of chips at any time deeming them worthless. Here's how they do it. Let's say the Bellagio, Wynn, Encore etc want to get rid of their old model $100 chips. They put a legal ad in the back of the Las Vegas Review Journal for a certain amount of weeks and give a certain amount of time for all the outstanding chips to be brought to the cage for redemption. Once the specified date and time passes the chip is worthless.

Just found this! Here's the notice cancelling the Bellagio 25k chips in todays paper.

http://www.legalnotice.org/pl/review...howNotice.aspx

PUBLIC NOTICE Redemption of Bellagio Chips Effective December 22, 2010 Pursuant to Regulation 12.070(2)(c) of the Nevada State Gaming Control Board, effective December 22, 2010, the Bellagio Casino Hotel is discontinuing the standard $25,000 denomination gaming chip which is red with gray inlay and V shaped rose insert. These chips may be redeemed 24 hours a day at the Bellagio Main Casino Cage through April 22, 2011. PUB: Dec. 21, 24, 28, 31, 2010 LV Review-Journal

Hey B robber, congratulations, after April 22nd you have some really nice home game chips.
12-23-2010 , 04:22 AM
I bet all of those chips are cashed in by then
12-23-2010 , 04:30 AM
pretty smart of the casino imo
12-23-2010 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by kutty
I bet all of those chips are cashed in by then
you're prob the robber. Nice hedge, sir!
12-23-2010 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Apt Pupil
IMO this strongly suggests that there are no super-secret security measures in place, and that bellagio is scared chitless. Seems their only recourse is to terminate that particular chip.


And lets get realistic regarding ease of cashing in.

Once the robber has 25-50k or so available, he can easily buy into a high stakes table/poker game with that cash and slip the 5k's into his stack (which already has 5k's in it) and obv change them from there. After that, do the same thing with the 25k chips! At this point, you'll be recognized as a high stakes player from past pl,ay, so if you get caught you can simply play dumb.

Am i missing something or is this super logical?
You'd be wrong. The last set the introduced incorporated rfid into 500s and up at the very least. How well the implemented the internal control of this I don't know. B and G bought out paulson a while ago and they were the leaders in rfid technology. They introduced this into the paulson line as well. In the past you could tell which BG chips were rfid as they were bigger, but now it has been refined to smaller size as well.

I would assume the tables don't provide real time tracking as well as they could, but then the old manual call the pit to verify seems to work most of the time. If you bet big they'll want a players card, and when you do large amounts that goes on your player's account. They got robbed of $100k chips (in the baccarat pit) and called them in a while back too. It was an employee in on it that time.

I think the best shot he has is laundering through the poker room, but they will keep a lookout for it. You would want to to lose the stolen chips and win real ones, always making change with old.

Found a link for those that doubt: http://www.gpigaming.com/rfid-casino-chips.html

Last edited by pizdec; 12-23-2010 at 08:49 AM.
12-23-2010 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thrasher789
"The scene was something straight out of the film Ocean’s Eleven and instantly made national headlines."

pretty sure ocean's eleven would have been a tad shorter
This made me lol too.

The clue is even in the title 'Ocean's Eleven'

Maybe could be re made as 'Ocean's mate on a bike walks in on his own, is out again in five minutes'

Maybe starring the Stig from Top Gear? (UK ref)

      
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