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Originally Posted by ez2cy
Have you?
Think about it. UB/AP screwed "some" people out of money and some (but not all) had it returned. (in the first scandal)
FTP and PS's essentially screwed the whole online community. Both are waaaaay larger, more visible to all players and non players. They've tarnished online poker more than taking a few million from some players.
Think about it?
OK, I've thought about it and it makes no sense. First, we have no idea how many people are "some" because the company was not transparent in the refund process and didn't use standard public auditors to verify the work. We have no real idea how much was stolen or how much was repaid. In support of that, we have multiple instances of company officials stating mistruths including one which the DoJ actions highlight, Paul Leggett has said repeatedly that former owners/managers were no longer involved in the company, Scott Tom in particular. Joe Sebok is employed by the company,
let's hear it from him.
And that is just the beginning; the isues with the scandal are well-known to those who have taken the time to look and listen. You don't get to rewrite history there.
The two market leaders engaged in activity which doesn't rise to the level of discussion if you take the position provisioning poker isn't/wasn't illegal. The bank fraud may prove interesting, but that will likely fall on the heads of one or two individuals and there are definitely problems in the prosecution of fraud where the "victim" actually makes money.
Apparently, you believe Stars and Tilt should have left the market in 2006, but we would still be here having this discussion today as others would have filled the market vacuum including UB/AP.
Comparing UB/AP's past transgressions with Stars / Tilt in finding ways to continue to serve the market is beyond ridiculous and isn't going to have bad effects down the line, it is going to force resolution to the question.
Last edited by ElevenGrover; 04-20-2011 at 11:34 AM.