sry bro was doing hw and my roomie wanted to know.. didnt have time to read the thread and not sure why you would take the time to call me an idiot instead of just answering the question.. i dont have time to sit and read through a bunch of pages of the thread and this is a thread to answer our questions about cereus. now im having to explain myself when you could have simply said, "ya you should be fine to play" or "no i wouldnt risk it". i even prefaced an apology. lord why does everyone on this forum have something stuck up their ass all the time? and wtf your one of the guys from the "good old days" on the forum when yall were a close nit family and whatnot. now you cant even ask a question without "skimming" the 474 previous posts to make sure someone hasnt already asked the same question without some douchebag throwing a fit about it.

IT'S ON THE SAME PAGE. 30 posts ago.

wth? no its not.. someone posted the pop-up and someone said they arnt blocking players.. i established i already knew that in my post. i was asking if ITS SAFE TO PLAY AND IF THEY ARE PLANNING TO BLOCK US SOON? IT SAYS THAT NOWHERE ON THE PAGE

This is less than 10 posts before yours, and less than 20 posts after the last person who asked.

i'll help you 4bet bluff... i like your attitude

no1 knows what the future is for UB... but as of right now they are allowing US players to continue to play (haven't stated anything about blocking play), but have blocked deposits/withdrawals for the time being. some are speculating they will continue to operate in the US, and they are looking for new processors.

its still legal to "play" online poker. you aren't committing a crime if you play.

tom: are you braindead? i just told you twice i know that information and i want to know if you guys thinks its safe to get on and play from a legal standpoint. i wanted to know if there was any possibility of us getting in any trouble for continuing to play.

doug: thanks alot for the help and your avatar just led to a semi-lengthy reminising conversation between me and my roommate about the good old days of doug and patty mayonaise so thanks for that too

There's no way for any of us to know this.

I don't think the site declaring whether US players are accepted or not changes the legality of you playing. So either it was illegal before (I don't think so), or it was legal before and only transferring money to/from is illegal. It could increase the chance AP yourself decide to block your account as you have "broken their rules", but at this point, it changes little I think.

That said, I'm no lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Not even gonna vail this brag, cuz its probably fake $ anyway. Signed on Cereus tonight after reading this thread to see if I was blocked out as a US player. I was mainly a stars player but I had a random $100 left in AP. Was able to reg.. started up a session & FT'd a $10 turbo, then won a $5 freeze and a $50 sniper, to flip that $100 pretend money into over $1600 pretend money. gg online poker, was fun

Just because some support person says you are guaranteed to get your money,

DOESN'T MEAN ITS TRUE!!!

Especially in Cereus' case, how many times have they lied to their customers??

I wish you all luck, but some of the naivety in this thread is cringeworthy

Agree... But TBH they have always been better about payouts than Stars and Tilt and that is not even close...

Everyone ought to get paid.

As per KGC regulations, Cereus likely has all your funds in a safe place.

188. An Authorized Client Provider must ensure that:
(a) the Authorized Client Provider‟s liability for player balances is separately identifiable at all times; and
(b) player balances and prizes, bonuses and guaranteed amounts are covered by liquid funds at all times and that upon request the Commission is provided proof of same.

As per the same regulations, most of your hand histories are available as well.

265. Unless the information previously contained in the gaming record is kept in another way under an approval of the Commission, an Authorized Client Provider must keep a gaming record for five (5) years after the end of the transaction to which the record relates.

I haven't really talked to support much since Black Friday. Just once to confirm the window was 5-7 business days for a premium wire to clear to a bank account.

Yeah, I had already made the calculation of the latest your funds should clear as Thursday as well. I'm not sure how the one guy from this thread supposedly got his funds from a 4/14 processed payout but maybe they're not US based?

While I am fairly concerned about the premium wire, it's a much bigger concern for me as to what happens to the rest of our funds in our AP/UB accounts and how "safe" they really are. I don't think anyone has any answer to this beyond a largely speculative one.

Yeah, you can tell there's a lot of deep seeded UB/AP hatred in this thread. I've never seen so much wasted analysis on what a customer rep chooses to paste from a script that obviously hasn't changed in the last couple days.

For me, I just don't have the time frame payout comparisons to adequately comment. I haven't played seriously/cashed out on PS in many years and back when I wired payout money there it was like under 2 business days to get your money. I guess those were the good old days. In recent months both FTP and AP were having trouble with payouts. Though, I will say, AP has been very good about getting me payouts when it was within their control over the last 24 months or so.

I'll agree with this. At least in regards to Stars. Haven't played tilt in years.

Payouts: Thank you for contacting payments department, my name is James. How may I help you?
*****: hi
*****: I wanted to know if you are still proccessing cashouts for EU players? I read the forums and noone has received their money yet and they say ALL cashouts have been suspended atm, is that correct?
Payouts: We expect you are aware of recent legal developments in the US. This situation has led to an unprecedented high volume of payout requests and inquiries, and is causing processing issues in general for us. We are currently working actively to resolve these issues and we apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your patience in this matter. An update will be provided as soon as possible.
*****: but so, are you actively proccessing cashouts to EU atm ?
Payouts: Not a this moment
Payouts: We are currently assessing the situation with our legal team and will provide an update as soon as possible .

In fairness if they're not giving actual reasons that make sense then there's little point in listening to what they're saying on its own. This obviously goes for Cereus in particular as their support is generally so inept and can't be trusted on the best of days.

The fact is that nobody who has attempted to cash-out post indictments has succeeded. There could be reasonably legitimate reasons for this, but they aren't giving us any. Certainly volume alone is not a legitimate reason as we would then expect to have at least seen the early requests go through.

"an unprecedented high volume of payout requests"
"are you actively proccessing cashouts to EU atm ?
Payouts: Not a this moment "

Smells like a BS answer - if they are not processing any payouts at all, why even refer to high volume of requests? It shouldn't matter - if you process something at a rate of zero per day, whether it's 10 requests or a million is going to take the exact same time.

"We are currently assessing the situation with our legal team" - non-US players are not affected in any way as far as legality of paying them goes (unless, of course, DoJ actions deprived them of funds to be able to pay out )

Still, the more ridiculous their answers are now, the happier I'll be when (if) I get my money.

Dealing with payout requests still requires time, ie sending back an email etc.

Not processing is another matter.

They can be overwhelmed and not be sending out a dime.

Think of an emergency, 911 could be getting thousands of calls an hour but not sending out an ambulance because they don't have one...but they are still overwhelmed taking the calls.

Wow what a difference a week make! What happen to all the ub hate? Are Americans really considering playing there if they some how manage to stay in american market?

Funny, I said before that PS and FTP were not much different than UB, just didn't get caught yet. Well they got caught and in my mind, it's worse than the AP and UB scandal ever thought of being.

PS and FTP sheep will never admit to that though.

Wow, I'm speechless.

DoJ accusing PokerStars (and AP/UB for that matter) of running an illegal gambling business.

AP/UB senior employees abusing their position to steal money from their players.

I can see how PokerStars is worse

ez2cy, have you ever considered therapy?

Why cant they just find some ladyboy in the philippines to handle Western Union payouts? Even though it was $25 I always liked using that option. Never had to worry about my bank or anything else. Just straight cash homey.

yeah they probably just "overwhelmed"

meanwhile, i said bye bye to any moneyz at ab.

Have you?

Think about it. UB/AP screwed "some" people out of money and some (but not all) had it returned. (in the first scandal)

FTP and PS's essentially screwed the whole online community. Both are waaaaay larger, more visible to all players and non players. They've tarnished online poker more than taking a few million from some players.

Think about it?