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Can The Large Stack Final Table Extra Advantage Be Ameliorated? Can The Large Stack Final Table Extra Advantage Be Ameliorated?

07-25-2017 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten
Not a derail, sir, but I found another error in your writings: The Theory of Poker, Fourth Edition, Eighth Printing, December 2005, page 182.

You reference bluffing when you draw the king of spades, but you are discarding the king of spades.
Great time to bring this up!
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07-25-2017 , 11:23 PM
The broken premise here is that having some people play tighter/looser more/less aggressive than others based on stack size is less entertaining. It adds a new dimension to the way people play that casual players don't often get to see.
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07-25-2017 , 11:44 PM
I always thought it would be neat if there was a redraw for seats every time a player was eliminated at the final table.

This way certain people who drew god seats (Blumstein) and people who drew awful seats (Lamb) only have the fair/unfair advantage for one elimination.

Doesnt directly apply to the big stack issue but does indirectly allow chance to change the way they'd play (if, for example, Hesp drew a seat on Blumstein's direct left after the first elimination)
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07-26-2017 , 12:10 AM
Just swap:
9th Place = 5th Place $
8th Place = 6th Place $
7th Place = 4th Place $
6th Place = 7th Place $
5th Place = 3rd Place $
4th Place = 8th Place $
3rd Place = 2nd Place $
2nd Place = 9th Place $
1st Place = 1st Place $

It would make for some crazy strategy, people trying to bust on favourable ladder positions and the HU match at the end would be epic with a huge pay jump.
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07-26-2017 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper421
Just swap:
9th Place = 5th Place $
8th Place = 6th Place $
7th Place = 4th Place $
6th Place = 7th Place $
5th Place = 3rd Place $
4th Place = 8th Place $
3rd Place = 2nd Place $
2nd Place = 9th Place $
1st Place = 1st Place $

It would make for some crazy strategy, people trying to bust on favourable ladder positions and the HU match at the end would be epic with a huge pay jump.
how about the payouts randomize every hand
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07-26-2017 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkMagus
if i understand this correctly, you are saying that if a player loses 90% of their stack on one hand, and busts the next, they should get paid a lot less than if they just busted their whole stack on one hand?

i'm not sure how that will make tournament poker more exciting, all it would do is have players constantly counting chip stacks every hand to see who they cover
Just wanted to pointed out that this objection to my idea is flawed.There would be no reason to avoid moving in against someone with a slightly smaller stack in spite of the downside you mentioned. Because if if you it would mean an increase in the EB of your extra prize money.

Also I want to make clear that I was suggesting a rule change only for the televised WSOP final table. Not any other tournament.
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07-26-2017 , 02:24 AM
ameliorate.. i have never heard this word in my life. im not going to look it up , im going to guess at what it means for a while. its not everyday you learn a new word.

ameliorate : is when emilio estevez does a smash n grab on the biggest stack at any final table and later writes you to rate your performance after said smash n grab.
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07-26-2017 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
b.) Air a high stakes cash game.
If it's on TV it all has to get declared to the IRS.
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07-26-2017 , 03:44 AM
All you people bitching because you don't know the word ameliorate are the sort of illiterate freelunch seeking whiners that are ruining modern civilization. Educate yourselves and show less pride in your ignorance.
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07-26-2017 , 04:18 AM
NASCAR does it. 23rd gets more than 5th then other times it's different. They done Ameliorated that sucker.
Should work on easier stuff like 19th earning the same as 27th.
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07-26-2017 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
All you people bitching because you don't know the word ameliorate are the sort of illiterate freelunch seeking whiners that are ruining modern civilization. Educate yourselves and show less pride in your ignorance.
free lunch is a good thing dude , maybe one day if you quit being such a douche someone will buy you lunch.
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07-26-2017 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Demonic16
You'd be better off rewarding people with some sort of voting system
Like the first WSOP. Maybe not a terrible idea.
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07-26-2017 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by thrasher789
Great time to bring this up!
Check your privilege. People who are 10x smarter than you have feelings. And stop derailing.
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07-26-2017 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
If it's on TV it all has to get declared to the IRS.
It can be played in a country that doesn't tax gambling winnings, between mainly non-US tax residents and a couple of US tax residents to root for.
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07-26-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Just wanted to pointed out that this objection to my idea is flawed.There would be no reason to avoid moving in against someone with a slightly smaller stack in spite of the downside you mentioned. Because if if you it would mean an increase in the EB of your extra prize money.

Also I want to make clear that I was suggesting a rule change only for the televised WSOP final table. Not any other tournament.
To increase viewer retention you want to change to rules of only a world championship so it's different than how the game is played everywhere else in the world The world championship should be representative of the game in its purest, most commonly practiced form. Creating a gimmicky pay structure to influence gameplay sacrifices integrity & would devalue the prestige of a top finish in the Main. Making difficult decisions under pressure due to the ability to win extra $ is at the core of the game and part of what makes poker great.

Also, the guy who finished 2nd deserves more $ than 9th for outlasting their competitors at the most important stage of the tournament. Accordingly the current structure justly rewards the 1st place finisher for being victorious under difficult circumstances. The big stack doesn't always win.

Last edited by Kidman411; 07-26-2017 at 10:30 AM.
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07-26-2017 , 10:36 AM
How about we randomize final table payouts a little. If you get busted 9th, you either get 9th, 8th, or 7th place money. Let's say for sake of argument you drew 7th place money. Then 8th place gets either 9th, 8th, or 6th. (Maybe you can recalculate those numbers each bust out based on what previous bustouts drew). On down to 3rd. You can change the numbers appropriately so that 3rd place has no chance of getting 9th place money. It would incentivize players to go for the top scores a bit more, as they wouldn't be simply trying to outlast one or 2 more people for the pay jumps.
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07-26-2017 , 10:51 AM
It makes me sad that this many people are not familiar with the word ameliorate
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07-26-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rbenuck4
How about we randomize final table payouts a little. If you get busted 9th, you either get 9th, 8th, or 7th place money. Let's say for sake of argument you drew 7th place money. Then 8th place gets either 9th, 8th, or 6th. (Maybe you can recalculate those numbers each bust out based on what previous bustouts drew). On down to 3rd. You can change the numbers appropriately so that 3rd place has no chance of getting 9th place money. It would incentivize players to go for the top scores a bit more, as they wouldn't be simply trying to outlast one or 2 more people for the pay jumps.
Or we could all just play bingo.
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07-26-2017 , 11:09 AM
Isn't that what we are basically doing?
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07-26-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Joe Davola
It makes me sad that this many people are not familiar with the word ameliorate
We aren't attending SAT prep classes or a creative writing workshop at the local indy coffee shop. DS' use of ameliorate in the title is pretentious imo. Though I guess you don't get the sense of vocabulary badassery from using improve.
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07-26-2017 , 11:38 AM
How to make TV Poker more exciting: add an Alligator tank they have to jump over every time they get the button.
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07-26-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
ameliorate.. i have never heard this word in my life. im not going to look it up , im going to guess at what it means for a while. its not everyday you learn a new word.

ameliorate : is when emilio estevez does a smash n grab on the biggest stack at any final table and later writes you to rate your performance after said smash n grab.
Ameliorate: first you dig trench in ground and then you will put pipes here to get water away. It will not work in desert in Vegas.
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07-26-2017 , 11:52 AM
*improved* would of been sufficient in the title, smarty pants
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07-26-2017 , 11:55 AM
How about just don't announce the payout structure until the end. Just the first place prize. 8.15M for first. About a million problems with this, but they would play more excitingly if they were all playing for 1st.
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07-26-2017 , 12:05 PM
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