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Can anyone elaborate on what Layne Flack is talking about here? (John Phan busted on angle) Can anyone elaborate on what Layne Flack is talking about here? (John Phan busted on angle)

02-26-2012 , 06:00 PM
From his twitter (read from the bottom to the top):


Layne Flack
Tournament director made the exact right call. The decision was he is all in and went broke. Great job Matt.


Layne Flack
Shots at players with the all in button and not going all in, yet getting the players to react to it. Matt Savage the


Layne Flack
I just got a call from a player at the LAPC that John Phan went bust. It finally caught up to him, after taking numerous
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02-26-2012 , 06:02 PM
the world turned upside down
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02-26-2012 , 06:26 PM
I really hate these live jackasses that love to angle shoot constantly.

My heart grows three sizes when somebody uses the angle against them, though.
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02-26-2012 , 06:31 PM
From WPT.com :

John Phan Eliminated By the Flip of a Button

Level 11: 600-1,200, 200 ante

With over 100,000 chips already in the pot and the board reading KspadeQspade3diamond5club, Travis Carson moves al-in for 44,200. John Phan is trying to decided whether or not to call-in for his last 30,000 or so.

Phan has tucked his cards in between his chips and the rail for safe keeping while he deliberates. After a while, he asks the dealer if she has a second blue "all-in" button. One of the buttons is in front of Carson, but the second button is still in the well.

Phan tells the dealer he is not going all-in, but he was wondering if he could borrow the button for the minute. The dealer warily hands it to him and he begins to use it as a coin. He gives it a small toss in the air and it lands face-down right in front of him. He tries to give it another small toss and it nearly gets away from him.

On the third toss, Phan hefts it a little higher and it lands face-down on the other side of the betting line. There is a beat before Phan reaches in and pulls the button back.

"That's a call," Carson says. Phan does not seem to agree. A floorman is paged to the table to hear the situation and Phan pleads his case that he told the dealer he was just borrowing the button, not using it to move all-in. The table seems to agree with Carson that it should be ruled a call.

Tournament Director Matt Savage is paged to the table and as soon as he hears that Phan asked for the button, he tells him, "You're all-in." Savage even adds that asking for the button is called "the John Phan rule" before walking away.

Carson flips over his QheartQdiamond for middle set and Phan still doesn't touch his cards. After some more insisting from the dealer and the floor, Phan shows AheartKheart for top pair.

The river 8diamond means Phan is officially eliminated, though he does stick around and plead his case to his tablemates for another minute or so before heading for the door.

Travis Carson - 195,000 (163 BBs)
John Phan - eliminated
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02-26-2012 , 06:33 PM
Some backstory on the John Phan rule and why Layne Flack was tweeting about this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Savage
Asking to see the all-in button means that you are all-in.

At the Bike WPT he had asked to see it many times and then moved all-in. When Layne Flack insta called one time and turned up aces JP then said he just wanted to "see" the button. The floor ruled in John's favor and Layne threw a fit and rightfully so IMO. Hench the "John Phan All In Button Rule" was created.
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02-26-2012 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Some backstory on the John Phan rule and why Layne Flack was tweeting about this:
That is what I was looking for... Thank you! Don't understand why sketchy1 needs to get sassy about it.
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02-26-2012 , 06:37 PM
Played with John Pham in the 340. He "asked for the button" 4-5 times in the two or three hours I was at the table. Instead of saying all in he would say to the dealer "can I see that button?"
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02-26-2012 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 09Bear
That is what I was looking for... Thank you! Don't understand why sketchy1 needs to get sassy about it.
He was completely right. It looks like you just read Layne Flack's tweets and then went "I hope someone knows what he's talking about" and then made this thread, instead of looking into it yourself.

You'll never get good at figuring things out for yourself if your default move is to just ask other people for the answer.
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02-26-2012 , 06:47 PM
didnt read one line but im guessing "cocaine is a hell of a drug?"
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02-26-2012 , 06:55 PM
john phan is an angle-shooting douche, not to mention he purposely plays as slowly as he can to tilt his opponents -- glad he got what was coming to him
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02-26-2012 , 06:57 PM
Looks like we have a worthy candidate for second (third?) biggest toolbox
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02-26-2012 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
He was completely right. It looks like you just read Layne Flack's tweets and then went "I hope someone knows what he's talking about" and then made this thread, instead of looking into it yourself.

You'll never get good at figuring things out for yourself if your default move is to just ask other people for the answer.
Jesus. It's like you're making it your mission to tarnish this guy for asking. How about this? He had a question and came to the best place where people might be able to answer it--twoplustwo. God forbid somebody go to a good source of knowledgeable people for info.
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02-26-2012 , 07:31 PM
A story about an angle shooter getting busted on his own angle today in a tournament is completely fine in NVG.

If you want to argue about what does and does not belong in this fine forum, go do it in ATF.
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02-26-2012 , 07:37 PM
Can somebody explain to me why he asked "to see" the button?
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02-26-2012 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BRm34eva
Can somebody explain to me why he asked "to see" the button?
Apparently that's his angle - he asks "to see" the all-in button while trying to say that he doesn't really want it, so that he can get a reaction from his opponent based on what happens when it gets near the betting line.

Pretty dumb angle shoot, IMO, and I love the fact that the TD called this the John Phan rule and snap called it was a call on the all-in. Scumbags gonna scumbag, I guess.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 02-26-2012 at 08:32 PM.
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02-26-2012 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BRm34eva
Can somebody explain to me why he asked "to see" the button?
From earlier post ITT, and SGT provided the analysis a couple minutes ago-

"At the Bike WPT he had asked to see it many times and then moved all-in. When Layne Flack insta called one time and turned up aces JP then said he just wanted to "see" the button. The floor ruled in John's favor and Layne threw a fit and rightfully so IMO. Hench the "John Phan All In Button Rule" was created."
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02-26-2012 , 07:59 PM
You see, OP, you made the mistake of creating a legitimate thread while only having a couple dozen posts. There are so many crappy threads created by noobs that some 2p2 regulars get conditioned to assume that low post count equals crappy poster. It's a lot easier than thinking.

btw, thanks for the thread. I found it interesting and wouldn't have heard about it otherwise.
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02-26-2012 , 08:10 PM
lol, not sure why op is getting flamed so hard i thought this was NVG

either way, douchey thing of pham to do

Last edited by SGT RJ; 02-26-2012 at 08:15 PM.
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02-26-2012 , 08:10 PM
Thanks for the thread, I enjoyed it. Sketchy, you are one of the worst posters on 2p2 hands down. Stop blabbing in this thread.
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02-26-2012 , 08:28 PM
Was looking for some recent poker news that would be interesting. This thread seemed exactly that, thanks OP.
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02-26-2012 , 08:29 PM
Seems like a really weak angle shoot......nice to read about this dbag getting busted out by his own bull----.
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02-26-2012 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I love the fact that the TD called this the John Phan rule and snap called it was a call on the all-in. Scumbags gonna scumbag, I guess.
+1

You know he has to be a toolbox when an angleshoot is named after him.

Great decision by Matt Savage.
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02-26-2012 , 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sketchy1
if there was a thread created for every single minor question someone might have NVG would suck way worse than it already does
Why does it suck when there are lots of threads? Better than logging in and seeing the same old chit over and over.
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02-26-2012 , 08:36 PM
02-26-2012 , 08:37 PM
What the eff is going on. Come on NVG, you can do so much better!

We need to have the FTP-discussion in every thread.
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