Chris Grove ‏@OPReport 4m
@AgentMarco Based on the associations the room has chosen, I would strongly advise not depositing there.

Ask about affiliateship, rakeback too plz

Ask about if they will have hoodies witht be sites name on them. I don't think I can wear my full tilt hoodie anymore

Meh. That's just a standard wordpress site user registration form, not anything like creating an online wallet. The linked page also has a php error:

+1

If you dont beat me there. I might check that smoke shop out when I go to Harrahs Rincon/Harrahs San Diego North/Harrahs Southern California/ Or Harrahs whatever it is called now.

what could it hurt to put a few bucks on there to try it out? It's not like there will be sufficient traffic to do any serious grinding.

It was in a horrible location far From any decent population size. All the populations that would drive there are much closer to other casinos.

a horrible location like the middle of the nevada desert? give it to me. ill make it run.

From the info I can find, there are about 300 tribal members living on their reservation lands. Taking into account children, elderly, etc., it looks to me like every tribal member was an employee of the casino. Extrapolating, the tribe members lived for years off of money borrowed from the Apaches, under the guise of running a casino. Now that that well has dried up, they are looking for a new one (i.e., poker players, or maybe someone to loan them money to "operate a poker site"). Seems like a pretty good scheme - lots of potential.

Heres the contact info. Call them up. You can be the savoir of the iipay nation!

Santa Ysabel Gaming Commission
Phone: 760-765-0553
Fax: 760-765-3772
dvialpando@sycommission.net
dvialpando@iipaynation-nsn.gov

Pokerfuse Confirms with the Tribes Gaming Commission

http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-re...a-within-days/

Just my opinion.

I agree that the world won't end if you deposit $10. But if someone asks me "should I deposit, yes or no," I'm saying no.

Interesting. About halfway down that page there's a link you can click on under a picture of him and Clinton & Gore, with a message stating "President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore meet with Christopher Wolfington to discuss the future of tribal gaming in the United States."

Of course, when I clicked on the link, it said "Page cannot be found"

any games going? I can't view it since i'm on a mac

So, to sum up, a 300-member California Indian tribe, that went bust on their b&m casino earlier this year and defaulted on tens of millions of dollars in related loans from the Apache Indian tribe of AZ, is going operational this week for real-money intrastate online poker despite having no clear legal precedent or permission from the CA State or US Federal governments, using the same software platform as one of the current US-facing offshore poker networks that is operating illegally in the eyes of the US DOJ, working in conjunction with the Kahnawakee Gaming Commission who was at a minimum complicit in the AP/UB superuser scandals, and using a payment processor whose web site could have been written by almost any high school student and currently contains no method for customers to sign up for their ewallet and whose owner has been lately embroiled in a couple of multi-million dollar court judgements against one of his financial processing companies for the Indian gaming industry, which judgements he tried to dodge by filing for bankruptcy but was denied by the court.

What could go wrong?

meh i rather use bovada

guessing im a little to...errr...german.

Are we for sure certain this software is safe to download?

The software is the same as Winning Poker Network (Black Chip and America's Card Room). I wouldn't worry about the software, just the people providing it.

everyone hating on the kawanake gaming commission, but isn't that what bovada is sanctioned through?

Is that supposed to make anyone feel good? Kawanake has proven time and time again that they are a joke. What exactly do they even do?

Yes.

This is one of the strangest poker stories I have ever heard. I used to frequent the brick and mortar Santa Ysabel casino when it was in operation being as I lived 30 minutes from it. The main reason I think it failed was its location. Was out of the way for literally anyone planning on going there, and they didn't offer much outside of basic casino activities. Other casinos in the area have outlet malls, hotels, golf courses, concert venues, etc. Santa Ysabel just had a below average restaurant, a micro-brewery, low limit pit games, and on occasion a poker tournament or cash games going on, as well as the usual mix of slot machines. It was a nice building with some spectacular views, but very average otherwise.

I do recall one night, sometime in 2009, a group of 6 or 7 of us were in the parking lot after a poker tourney and a casino rep approached us and asked us all sorts of questions about what we liked, disliked about our experience that night. He mentioned they were trying everything to bring more people in, such as a hotel and better poker promotions. However, a few months after that night the poker room essentially shut down and no hotel was ever built.

Anyways, I am very interested to see where this goes. One of the bigger casinos in the area, Barona, currently offers online poker but no deposits can be made, its all play money. They do offer food vouchers, $50 weekend tournament tickets, and amazon gift cards among other prizes. For the WSOP, they gave away $60k in buy ins and travel expenses as well. There were rumors that they would be real money soon, but that hasn't happened.

Apologies for the ramblings, just giving insight into the scene over here where the old brick and mortar casino was. If this has any legs it could get exciting, I'm interested to hear the reports of the guys who stopping by the smoke shop to try and make a deposit. If I happen to drive by there I will stop in and see whats up.