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02-04-2010, 12:18 PM
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#181
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veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Location: In my own little world
Posts: 2,747
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Originally Posted by Possum2007
Another serious question. Are lots of people pulling their cash off the site over this? I hope so. I'm not, its really not that big of a deal if its an isolated incident, but I hope all 2+2ers freak out and split the site.
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Not because of this incident, no... but because of Cake's awful client and software, yes definitely. I still have some gold chips and gold cards there tho, big whoopie! LOL
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02-04-2010, 12:19 PM
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#182
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Stuck in traffic ,
Posts: 367
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
Maybe they could turn this into a promotional tool by offereing to pay $10,000to anyone this happens to in the future. That way players won't be too concerned if this bug is fixed or not.
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02-04-2010, 12:34 PM
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#183
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 29
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
What's bizarre is how it happened this one time out of the tens of millions of hands we've dealt.
We have no way of knowing if this is a correct statement. IMO it should say something like this one time of of tens of millions of hands we've dealt THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED.
Huge difference IMO. There could be tens/hundreds/millions of times where this happens, but people do not realize it for whatever reason (ie. multi-tabling, drunk, its $5 so who cares, next hand was dealt before people noticed, etc.).
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02-04-2010, 12:53 PM
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#184
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 188
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
They will find the error I think. Also if this happens more they just have to send money for the right player IMO.
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02-04-2010, 01:10 PM
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#185
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: INTERNET
Posts: 5,112
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
kk> aq, im glad a site has finally done something about these donks that play aq
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02-04-2010, 01:13 PM
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#186
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,727
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
kk> aq, im glad a site has finally done something about these donks that play aq
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aq off no less!
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02-04-2010, 01:22 PM
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#187
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 682
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
Reason 284,749,302 Why I will not take internet poker seriosuly.
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You've never seen a live dealer misread a board before?
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02-04-2010, 01:24 PM
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#188
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,727
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
the worst is when a dealer turns the next card while you still havent acted.
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02-04-2010, 01:37 PM
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#189
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sparta
Posts: 630
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by sharpyetblunt
this happens to me all the time in Omaha
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Needs love.
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02-04-2010, 01:55 PM
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#190
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PokerStars veteran rookie
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Watching the TT
Posts: 1,967
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
Hey folks -
Just an update to say that we have installed the extra logging/monitoring code (that's the brief server pause you saw last night). We honestly expect (and hope) to watch and watch and watch and see nothing.
To answer some of your questions:
Q: HTF could this happen one out of literally a billion hands? [1] Computers don't just arbitrarily decide to do something differently the 297,446,238th time they do some algorithm.
A: Actually, I got to thinking about that myself. Consider this: any moderately sophisticated computer program probably has a state variable space of almost incalculable size. Take all the variables in the program and the values they can hold. Multiply that by the number of different paths the program might have followed to reach a particular place in the code. Then add in all the interactions between various servers in the system.
Obviously, we had a perfect storm of state variables which caused this problem. We don't believe it's happened before and we definitely don't expect it to happen again. But we're putting in more checks to make sure it doesn't.
Q: What if I think I was the victim of a wrongly pushed pot before?
A: If you have a hand history, send it to our support people. If you want to ask our support folks for your most recent 1000 hands or so, feel free. If you can find (and we confirm) a wrongly pushed pot, we'll ship you $500 for each occurrence. If you were the true winner of the pot and it wasn't pushed to you, we'll send you double the size of the pot plus the $500.
Q: Are you going to tell us what happened when you find out?
A: If there is some clear conclusion about the cause of the perfect storm, then yes, we'll provide some explanation of it. We might not take it down to the technical level, mostly because to explain the entire set of circumstances would probably take three pages, be Greek to 99.99% of the readers, and only result in a bunch of "tl;dnr" responses. But if there is some kind of further information that's relevant and useful to this community, I assure you that we'll share it.
Again, we thank you for your understanding and your patience while we investigate this. It's a huge deal to us and the development team has its best people looking into it.
Thanks again for your continued support.
Best regards,
Lee Jones
Cake Poker Cardroom Manager
[1] The Cake network deals about 1.7 million hands per day.
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02-04-2010, 02:03 PM
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#191
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,727
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
very nice lee. thanks for the info.
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02-04-2010, 02:03 PM
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#192
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 404
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
Thanks Lee.
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02-04-2010, 02:11 PM
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#193
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enthusiast
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 82
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by Jamsym1
This is probably the first time in internet poker history that this has happened.
Or at least one of a very very few times.
If you play live the chances of mistakes through dealer error are far far more likely than anything like this online.
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i used to play at a site called earth poker. they had the worst software in the history of internet poker or internet in general. the pot routinely went to the wrong player. we called it a bad beat and moved on. You youngins have it good nowadays.
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02-04-2010, 02:14 PM
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#194
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,086
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by Lee Jones
Hey folks -
Just an update to say that we have installed the extra logging/monitoring code (that's the brief server pause you saw last night). We honestly expect (and hope) to watch and watch and watch and see nothing.
To answer some of your questions:
Q: HTF could this happen one out of literally a billion hands? [1] Computers don't just arbitrarily decide to do something differently the 297,446,238th time they do some algorithm.
A: Actually, I got to thinking about that myself. Consider this: any moderately sophisticated computer program probably has a state variable space of almost incalculable size. Take all the variables in the program and the values they can hold. Multiply that by the number of different paths the program might have followed to reach a particular place in the code. Then add in all the interactions between various servers in the system.
Obviously, we had a perfect storm of state variables which caused this problem. We don't believe it's happened before and we definitely don't expect it to happen again. But we're putting in more checks to make sure it doesn't.
Q: What if I think I was the victim of a wrongly pushed pot before?
A: If you have a hand history, send it to our support people. If you want to ask our support folks for your most recent 1000 hands or so, feel free. If you can find (and we confirm) a wrongly pushed pot, we'll ship you $500 for each occurrence. If you were the true winner of the pot and it wasn't pushed to you, we'll send you double the size of the pot plus the $500.
Q: Are you going to tell us what happened when you find out?
A: If there is some clear conclusion about the cause of the perfect storm, then yes, we'll provide some explanation of it. We might not take it down to the technical level, mostly because to explain the entire set of circumstances would probably take three pages, be Greek to 99.99% of the readers, and only result in a bunch of "tl;dnr" responses. But if there is some kind of further information that's relevant and useful to this community, I assure you that we'll share it.
Again, we thank you for your understanding and your patience while we investigate this. It's a huge deal to us and the development team has its best people looking into it.
Thanks again for your continued support.
Best regards,
Lee Jones
Cake Poker Cardroom Manager
[1] The Cake network deals about 1.7 million hands per day.
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Mistakes are going to happen, what I want to know is how the site is going to handle a potential oversight...
A+ imo
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02-04-2010, 02:16 PM
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#195
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Correct, as usual.
Posts: 13,639
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player
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Originally Posted by lexxy
They have started allowing that just recently and they remove some of the info which limits your ability to find irregular hands.
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