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Old 02-04-2010, 03:05 AM   #151
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

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Cake does allow hand analysis software. I import my Cake hands into HEM after every session. Cake simply doesn't allow HUDs.

Please don't make false statements when you don't know what you are talking about.
They have started allowing that just recently and they remove some of the info which limits your ability to find irregular hands.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:18 AM   #152
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

Must be Greek Hold'em LDO.
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:46 AM   #153
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how can cake poker be already up again after lee didnt post any proof of the situation has been solved or not?! they just shipped the guy two times what he lost in the hand and thats it? lol good one
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:52 AM   #154
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I know this is shady looking, but what could it be?
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:22 AM   #155
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this is anything beyond standard. It appears cake has zero integrity checks or this would have been spotted by them first. Logging after the bug occured?? you mean to say you werent logging before? wat.

I can understand a company like UB not logging since the cheaters didnt want any logs obv, but whats cake's excuse?

If the bug occured because the server misinterpreted hand values, this is basic logic that got screwed up. If their software lacks reliability, what makes you think its not possible that someone already breached their software, or that the code in the first place has some funky programming.

Cake better give a good reason on how this happened
Not defending Cake totally because there's obviously a problem. However, it is very easy in software development to have some bug that only shows up under circumstances where an extreme set of events occur so it's not fair to say they have zero integrity checks. Given that this doesn't seem to happen on a regular basis (or we would have heard about it before), this seems likely to be the same case here - a very unusual set of circumstances that is probably not explicitly tested for; probably a disconnection/timing issue.

With regard to the logging, I assume Lee meant they are turning on some extra debugging to try and catch the issue. Presumably, this sort of debugging wouldn't normally be turned on because of the performance hit.

I would say it is highly unlikely that this occurred because the software misinterpreted hand values; if that were the case you would have seen this problem many more times already. All software has bugs in it, and just because it has a bug doesn't mean it has been breached - if there were cheating going on do you really think they would be doing it at the $4 games and making it as obvious as shipping the pot to the wrong person?

Is it good that this has happened - no, obviously not. However, contrast the way Cake have handled it (so far) to the way that UB handled their similar issue; that should give you some confidence. The sky really isn't falling, and I shall be continuing to play on Cake.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:23 AM   #156
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how can cake poker be already up again after lee didnt post any proof of the situation has been solved or not?! they just shipped the guy two times what he lost in the hand and thats it? lol good one
They were stopping the server to turn on some extra logging to try and catch the issue. He never said it wouldn't be back up until the situation was solved.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:27 AM   #157
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I remember this happening on UB, & Phil Hellmuth was involved in the hand. People were yelling at him 'WTF?' in the chat, & he brushed it off as 'no big deal' & this 'kinda thing happens all the time'.... Did anything ever come of that??

In short, before it happened on UB I naively assumed it was not possible.

However I've also begun studying programming, & I can absolutely see how something like this is more than possible. I still believe (hope) tilt & stars have EXTREMELY tight QA over their code. The second something like this happens on either of those sites, it's GG internet pokers for me.
Yes I think I read about it. The other disconnected at exactly the time showdown started and this caused the error.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:33 AM   #158
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I know this is shady looking, but what could it be?
My monies is on a graphic error. Does anyone have the whole HH details and what value the A high flush hand was awarded?
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:34 AM   #159
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why does this thread not have 30 pages yet??
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:41 AM   #160
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why does this thread not have 30 pages yet??
Because (rather surprisingly) there hasn't been 200 idiots typing individual posts of

ZOMG, OMG, WTF, ROGGED, SICK etc.

The thread s actually readable if anyone new opens it.

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Old 02-04-2010, 07:44 AM   #161
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

getting my cake roll onto Victory poker. Just for fun and Extra RB, and also, pots being shipped ot the right person.

happened to me in a omaha game too (to reconfirm what a guy said before)

Rigged probably not, reliable, certainly not. GG Cake.
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:14 AM   #162
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

The sky is not falling, & I don't think most people so far have really been claiming that. But I think we're all expressing justifiable surprise & concern about what this kind of glitch could mean about the reliability of some of the programming on some sites. There are many people who make their entire living playing internet poker, & to be able to do that you pretty much have to assume the software you're playing on is fundamentally sound.

Edit: Also I agree with the consensus that this is being handled about as well as possible. Not ignoring or denying it, actually getting a genuine 'wow i can't believe this happened, this is serious & we'll update' is WAAAAAY better than Phil Hellmuth's insulting brush off.

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Old 02-04-2010, 08:18 AM   #163
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

this sort of stuff used to happen all the time back in the day

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Old 02-04-2010, 08:22 AM   #164
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Re: Cake Poker Ships Pot to Wrong Player

A similar type of software glitch happened to me a couple of times on Full Tilt right after they had updates. In this case, it was doubled cards and being able to see the hole cards of your neighbor to the immediate right for one hand, stuff like that. Nothing too shocking at my level but I can't imagine this sort of error happening at nosebleed stakes with your whole br on the line...
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:23 AM   #165
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this sort of stuff used to happen all the time back in the day

Hmm what this doesnt tell is that ZJ was also the PartyPoker account so it mattered not who won!
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