ownage4u is RaúlGonzalez correct?

first of all, the only positive thing i can say about you is that you leave viktor out of this as much as possible....

so to clear things up:

- when hastings used these irish accounts, he played isildur quite a lot of hands at different games, all at nosebleeds. i did not have a piece of viktor in any of these games i believe. but as hastings made posts at the time he will compensate people in a fair way and i had a figure with viktor from prior stakings, i discussed things with viktor and told him he should contact hastings.
he said yea, he should but he doesnt really wanna deal with that (typical for him), so i offered to get it done. we agreed i would get some part of money as payment for the figure. i cannot remember the % we agreed on, but it was not very significant.
i setup a 3way skype chat with him and hastings and got things started. hastings expressed his will to compensate viktor in a fair way.
we briefly talked about asking 3 judges for what the amount should be (as i was clearly biased). then hastings said we could probably resolve it just between us to make it as smooth and easy as possible.

so hastings and me started talking about it and i passed on the offer viktor had in mind (it might be 50k, i cant remember exactly). after some reasonable conversation, at some point hastings suddenly said he doesnt want to pay. he brought up that few friends of him had advised him not to compensate viktor, as viktor had MA them in the past most likely and didnt compensate them either.
we kept talking about it for some longer, i also started to talking to one of his friends about it. basically what they said was that they were very sure viktor had MAed against them and they had proof, but it was confidential and they wouldnt want to show me. i offered they would give the proof to a judge who will then decide what happens, that was declined as well
at some point i remember asking if its actually a proof or just some indicator and they admitted it was not a proof, but an indicator making viktors MA very very likely.

so anyways, at that point hastings refused to pay any compensation. my strong impression was that he just was looking for any excuse not to pay a compensation. conversation heated up and as it was very late night for me and i felt he was just wasting my time, we stopped talking and i deleted him from my skype. im completely fine with posting any of our conversation here to prove me wrong.

during those conversations, his friend accused me of MA through viktor at 2-7 tables, using teamviewer.
reality check: i did stake isildur in some 2-7 games in early 2014 (january-april) and i could watch him sometimes on teamviewer so i could get started myself with learning the game. i was neither playing nor commenting, as at that point i had no clue at all of the game. i found that wild accusation interesting though.


for your post, i dont know where to start commenting lol.

- what exactly of my behaviour was unethical? (not sure if you actually know what illegal means?)

- its interesting that youre saying my behaviour was malicious/unethical/illegal, given at the time back then you pretended your only reason not to pay was viktor MA against your friends. i remember both you and your friend saying multiple times you have no bad feelings towards me

- are you trying to say i agreed to you MA by playing you on your MA at badugi?^^ haha. btw, i think we either played one or two very brief sessions at badugi and all i could tell was that my opponent was a pretty bad but not terrible player. if i had known it was a successfull HS player from other games, i would have still played hands differently. but yes, since im playing anyone in that game, i didn't care much to get MAed. i was happy to get any action. that doesnt justify you MA against me in any way btw.

- talking about slander, you keep making vague statements about my malicious history and you know stuff that would destroy my reputation without giving any kind of proof. i ask you once again to post anything you want, i dont mind. just stop making false statements.

- i have no more figure with viktor for well over a year, thanks for the goodluck though

- as far as i can judge, you should sue your therapist. if i ever need one (nothing wrong at all about that. its a little bit saddening you lack enough self-respect to even suggest i need a therapy lol. i would have thought those jokes stopped to be funny at some point.

- can anyone else help me understanding how donations to the charity have any relevance for this matter or to your own post?

Let's take this time to remember that EireAbu won over $3m in 6 months playing no higher than 50/100 PLO

He smartly disappeared and hopefully still has money

Yes, and SanIker on FullTilt.

I think I liked Hastings better BEFORE he "retired" from poker when all I knew / heard about him was NoelHayes stuff.

Now that he's allegedly moved on, he seems to be more concerned about his standing in poker world than before.

does not compute.

FYP

Without weighing in on either side, I will say that I had played some with Noel-Hayes on Stars, and a few months later contacted Hastings when it came to light. I had a similar experience as Berrisweet, but we didn't bother with a judge and just came to an agreement mutually based on hands played. He sent me a settlement amount that I was happy with.

I will say however that if he was also behind the EireAbe / abacliath (?), this would mean we played much more heads up and for much higher stakes (up to 1.5/3k on FTP), and a fair settlement would likely be much higher. Full disclosure I played vs both these accounts under the impression that it was an 80% chance of being Jared Bleznick.

Also should mention that during settlement talks with Hastings I'm pretty sure I told him that I was ~95% sure Isildur MA'd vs me on one occasion (which I stand by but can't prove, and I didn't give him any more details than I did here).

I don't believe EireAbu was Hastings. First off, at the time, Hastings was playing regularly in the PLO games under the Stinger88 account and was doing just fine. Second, when he was playing as NoelHayes and Stinger, it was almost exclusively at the highest stakes and EireAbu was only playing 25/50 and 50/100.

The only thing that would match up is that NoelHayes and Eire were both "located" in Ireland, so if it came out to be true, it wouldn't shock me.

hsdb says EireAbu won his biggest pots at 100/200 and 200/400 plo

Does Isil get a pass for MA now that a former backer basically admitted it? He wants restitution despite MA other people and not offering it himself.

I think all this is more of a reflection on the state of HS online poker as opposed to the morality of individuals involved. Which is why endlessly freaking out doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Am interested to see how isil's fanboys react (or don't).

Didn't realize how much compensation efforts Stinger made, wrongly assumed things based on what I'd seen, should not have posted so harshly given lack of knowledge on situation, sorry.

NUMBER TWO COMING IN HOT, BOYS.

NVG -(approximately several sorries)

Several sorries shipped to Stinger88

Please provide some quotes. I seemed to have missed where Ownage wrote anything like that. Thanks.

To be fair, both those references are super legit and whilst I never considered too much about it, I was a bit surprised how well he handled it in those two cases. Props for that.

Since it's nvg there will always be random hate and insults etc. but definitely respect to Brian overall. Gl

JDalla used to play primarily LHE. Take that for what it's worth.

It was implied

Where was it implied? Give a post #.

Ownage said Hastings said it happened. That is not Victor's backer implying MA.

Victor may have MA, but I didn't read where Ownage said it or implied it.

Wonder what type of toll this takes on HS regs nowadays that you can't expect a fair straight up game. Do players of the newer era handle it differently than guys who had success when the games were much more legit? This trend was a major factor causing me to leave the game post BF. Back in the day most of the people who tried to cut corners sucked.

254: something to the effect of "the only positive thing I can say about you is that you leave Victor out of this as much as possible"

In response to talk of MA. Instead of "Victor never MA" which I believe he made a point to clarify about himself. Why is it important to leave Victor out of this if he's in the moral right?

EireAbu was/is Dutch. Thought this was pretty much 100% confirmed and known.

happy to gamble with anyone who actually thinks I was EireAbu, lol

Did your ACR account reflect all the sorries that NVG owes you yet?

it was not implied.

Ok, why'd you say that?

At first I though maybe I missed a post or something, but now I realize you are a little dense.

Ownage4u never implied anything about Victor MAing. Now he just confirmed he didn't imply anything. You are reading into things.

I think Qwnage4u was saying Victor is a private person and he wasn't going to talk about Victor's money or situation more than he had to explain the Noel Hayes issues.