Boyd Lawsuit Statement - Page 27 - Poker News

F Retard · 01-01-2010, 06:55 AM

based on character alone i think i have to side with mason on this one. Alas I am not a lawyer and did not go to law school, but I just get that feeling

lexxy · 01-01-2010, 07:44 AM

I'm no lawyer either but I'd imagine that the people involved in an case talking about it in detail an online forum, owned by the plaintiff, isn't a normal thing to do.

But I guess no-one would ever have imagined that the friendly old 2+2 regulars would assist the plaintiffs case by abusing and belittling the defendant into possibly capitulating, would they?

RolloTomasi · 01-01-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stay classy SD

What makes him the man exactly? Scamming people? He was responsible for a site that left a bunch of players swindled, then he tried to make a buck of off someone's else's business, whether thats a legal grey area or not doesn't matter, it is what it is. What matters is that you think being a scam artist makes you the man, which I guess explains why you think 2p2 protecting itself is sad. It's the opposite of sad.

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Originally Posted by sketchy1

didn't read anything, but i kinda hope mason and the gang lose just because they're douchebags imo. i'm sure this will be deleted, but w/e.

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Originally Posted by lexxy

I'm no lawyer either but I'd imagine that the people involved in an case talking about it in detail an online forum, owned by the plaintiff, isn't a normal thing to do.

But I guess no-one would ever have imagined that the friendly old 2+2 regulars would assist the plaintiffs case by abusing and belittling the defendant into possibly capitulating, would they?

these poasts are a tribute to the fair and open debate that 2+2 management allows even when they are idiotic and insulting toward the site and the site owners and congrats to the mods too - Happy New Year 2+2

shipontilt · 01-01-2010, 04:40 PM

I just read over this thread, I've worked in a law office since I was 16 years old that has dealt specifically with collection litigation and civil judgments and peoples notions of the way things work is really lol.

There is no way Dutch Boyd will have to pay 100k+ in legal fees. When applying for legal fees there is federal statute that say they need to be reasonably related to the recovery. Now, I understand we do not know what potentially recovery there could be yet if any, put I highly highly doubt it is anywhere near 100k.

Say the court rules in Mason's favor and says he is entitled to a recovery of $1,000.00 they are not going to also award him 100k in legal fees that is absolutely absurd.

Also, a civil judgment will not follow him around for the rest of his life. In most states civil judgments expire after 10-20 years. I believe in Nevada it's 10. Also it is so easy to hide assets these days that most civil judgments are not collectable if the judgment debtor is smart.

pokeraz · 01-05-2010, 05:05 PM

You guys arguing about this don't have any idea of what you are talking about. Running around google and pasting excerpts of laws and published opinions that you have no reasonable chance of understanding.

Intellectual property law is utterlly complex. Unless you have ALL the facts and details, you have no chance of predicting any type of outcome. Sometimes it is entertaining to read these arguments but this thread is loltastic.

bronx bomber · 03-08-2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi Everyone:

I wanted to post to explain some of the details behind our suit against Dutch Boyd, and clear up some of the misinformation that’s been posted by Boyd and others.

Our lawyers at Greenberg Traurig ran a domain name audit for Two Plus Two, and found several infringing registrations, including <twoplustwopoker.com>. GT has filed hundreds of domain name lawsuits and UDRP actions, and they told us that they have rarely seen such a blatantly infringing, bad-faith registration. The domain name contains our entire trademark, along with the term "poker," which describes the services we offer. Even worse, the domain name was linked to a fully interactive poker-themed website containing poker-related links, graphics, and banner ads.

The registration info for the domain was initially shielded, but in July of 2009 GT discovered that the <twoplustwopoker.com> domain name was registered by Dutch Boyd on behalf of business appropriately named "Jacknames.com." Boyd had registered and owned the <twoplustwopoker.com> domain since at least July of 2004, and has been earning substantial revenue from the website for at least the past five years.

We instructed GT to retrieve the domain and to get some more info on Boyd’s registration and infringement. We sent an initial demand letter to Boyd in early August noting his apparent copyright, trademark, and domain name infringement, and the damages he could face if we were forced to file a lawsuit. A copy of this demand letter is attached here. Boyd responded to this letter with a brief email stating that the domain name had expired.

Due to the length of time the registration was owned by Mr. Boyd, and his blatant infringement, we informed Boyd that the expiration of the <twoplustwopoker.com> would not resolve the dispute. At the very least, we needed to know exactly how much revenue the domain name and website had generated and how much traffic the site received. We also demanded that the domain be reclaimed and transferred back to us, as any expired domain places a mandatory 60-90 day hold before it can be registered to a new owner. A copy of our second demand letter is attached here. Boyd again refused our demands, and stated that he was "not afraid of being sued" and that Two Plus Two was "wasting its time."

After additional back and forth emails between our lawyers and Boyd, Boyd continued to refuse our demands for a full accounting of the domain and website, and refused to enter into any sort of reasonable settlement. We sent a final demand letter to Boyd letting him know that we were out of options, and that if he didn’t want to cooperate by providing the domain name data or entering into settlement negotiations, we’d have no choice but to sue him. Boyd responded to our attorneys with a two-word email: “F*** off.” We filed our suit the next day.

We never enter into litigation lightly, and it is never our attempt to “bully” anyone. However, we take protection of our intellectual property very seriously. We’ve spent decades building up our brand from our first days as a small book publisher in Las Vegas. Today, we have sold millions of books around the world and our website continues to grow beyond anything we expected. In fact, we recently hit the one-million unique visitors per month milestone. Due to the time and money we’ve spent building our brand, and the prominent role of the Internet in our success, we cannot afford to take this type of blatant infringement lightly.

We are still open to resolving this matter amicably, but any of our prior settlement offers were made before filing the complaint was necessary, and are now off the table. If Dutch Boyd wants to reach out to our lawyers in a more civil manner to discuss new settlement terms, he is certainly free to do so. But until we get some reasonable cooperation from Boyd, we’ve instructed our lawyers to pursue this litigation and seek all damages, attorneys fees, and costs to which we’re entitled.

Best wishes,
Mason

Here is the first letter mentioned:

Here's the second mentioned letter:

Mason, first let me say that I think Dutch registering TWOPLUSTWO.COM was a scummy thing for Dutch to do, and I don't have a problem with you going after him. He did an interview earlier tonight with Micon on DD (it has been archived over there). He says he complied with your attorneys request for all info regarding traffic and it showed he made no money. Is this true? He said he called you and asked you to meet him up for a drink to talk about/settle this and you had your law firm respond rather than meet him. Is this true?

FYI, you might want to listen to/record that broadcast. Dutch says he intends to appeal, I don't know if there is anything in his statements that could help you.

**Professionalpoker** · 03-08-2012, 03:35 AM

Much of what you will hear is Micon in his own fantasy world expounding on a topic that he has no clue of. As of Tuesday night he had not even read the decision and after listing to his show, it seems that he still did not read it. How can you take him seriously when he does not even put forth the effort to read the Judge's explanation of the decision?

I was the one that spoke with him at the MGM Tuesday night, as mentioned on the show, and he greatly exaggerated the tone of our quite cordial discussion.

I believe Dutch's statements, based on what I know was a mix of truths, half-truths, incomplete truths, complete omissions and mistaken recollections.

bronx bomber · 03-08-2012, 03:46 AM

What in my post would lead you to believe that I take Micon seriously? I simply asked if two statements that Dutch made were true.

**Professionalpoker** · 03-08-2012, 03:53 AM

Didn't mean to be addressing you directly with that, "you" should be "anyone", as that was the intent. Your questions, Mason will have to answer.

JOsbourne · 03-08-2012, 03:56 AM

Just read this but wow so pwned

Villian1 · 03-08-2012, 05:00 AM

I would like to thank propoker for cleaning up the post. I tried multiple times to decifer it but no luck. Thanks!

burnJa · 03-08-2012, 09:44 AM

So was the "JackNames.com" as Dutch's website under the header-- was that a joke or something?

jimladen · 03-08-2012, 03:42 PM

well spent 67k going after 30$ nice one

**Professionalpoker** · 03-08-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimladen

well spent 67k going after 30$ nice one

One of the incorrect statements. Try again.

Scott Tom · 03-08-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker

One of the incorrect statements. Try again.

Your post is worthless without an explanation...

Perhaps it is correct the $33k going after -$300k? Or does Dutch have some assets to go after?

I also highly doubt Dutch has the filing fee to appeal.

Finally, last possibility is that Nevada allows you to garnish tournament winnings? That would be awesome if possible!