Boyd Lawsuit Statement - Page 11 - Poker News

Toupee Jay · 12-18-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PropPlayer

Dutch Boyd's past has no relevancy in this lawsuit.

I wasn't specifically referring to the lawsuit. I was talking about something called integrity, honor and ethics. These seem to be qualities sorely lacking in many areas today. One of the them being the poker world. I guess I'm just a little old school, when a man's word was his bond. If a man broke his word, he was liable to get an ass whipping or worse. We weren't so quick to hire attorneys once upon a time.

kevbo · 12-18-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PropPlayer

LOL think again. I just looked it up. The site isn't on the radar for traffic (everything I've looked at indicates it never has been). Yes, the domain was registered in 2004, but was not put online until late 2006 and was a lame several page site with next to no content and a few affiliate links. It spent less than two years online. At BEST the site made $1K total since it was registered. I'd be quite surprised if it made any more than a few hundred dollars, and its quite possible it could have made nothing. No way in hell it made $15K.

Even if the site launched in 2006, with the site name and minimal SEO knowledge, still very possible and very likely.

CRUDEFINDER · 12-18-2009, 10:39 AM

All monetary issues aside, I think Dutch sealed his fate with the " **** you" or whatever response...

PropPlayer · 12-18-2009, 10:41 AM

Jay i'm totally with you on that. If Mason killed Dutch's dog because this went on to long okay sick but maybe it had to be done. If Mason understands what this website actually was and that in 2004 when the domain was registered so much more was unclear in this area and this was common practice, and the fact that now while things are like they are Dutch let the domain expire on his own knowing he could not make a legal profit on it, he should just let it go. Looking at what has been presented, I don't care who the guy is on the other side I'm going to pull for him. Honest mistake, maybe not exactly honest or a mistake, but drop it none the less. Dutch made what? a few big blinds. Let it go! Who he is should be put aside imo, This is not the type of actions anyone should want or be pulling for in a big company so heavily part of our industry. Settle it like man which in this case is probably something along the lines of "okay, this time you can go, but NEXT TIME.. I break you f n fingers". The end.

moki · 12-18-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PropPlayer

LOL think again. I just looked it up. The site isn't on the radar for traffic (everything I've looked at indicates it never has been). Yes, the domain was registered in 2004, but was not put online until late 2006 and was a lame several page site with next to no content and a few affiliate links. It spent less than two years online. At BEST the site made $1K total since it was registered. I'd be quite surprised if it made any more than a few hundred dollars, and its quite possible it could have made nothing. No way in hell it made $15K.

Mason should drop this. The loss he experienced was peanuts. He has the domain. Now he's just giving someone a hard time. I don't like Dutch any more than the next guy does. However, when it comes to big companies flexing there muscles of little ****, then i start to like him more and am pulling for him.

I hope Dutch does go the distance with this one. I don't want to escrow forever as it kills any value the bet had, but if one of my business partners offered me the same bet you guys discussed here I'd be on the Robert's side of the proposed in a heartbeat with the same terms suggested.

You're serious? You're okay with someone knowingly trying to make money by fallaciously associating their web site with a known, established brand? The fact that Dutch went to law school makes it all the worse, he was clearly extremely aware that what he was doing was wrong.

My money is on Dutch registering the domain name and hoping to sell it back to Mason et al. Then at some point he decided he might as well try to make a few bucks from having the site online as an affiliate site.

Anyone who wants to see what the site looked like can go here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...stwopoker.com/

The title when it first went up is:

Welcome to Twoplustwopoker.com you can play online poker games in any of our internet poker rooms

I think it is VERY possible that someone could mistakenly believe that these were TwoPlusTwo's poker rooms. This harms the reputation of TwoPlusTwo, as well as generating referral money for Dutch.

This is willful scumbaggery at its best. Why would anyone "root for the little guy" when the little guy is clearly in the wrong? Moreover, as someone who attended law school, he knows what he is doing is in the wrong, but does it anyway.

Blech.

PropPlayer · 12-18-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kevbo

Even if the site launched in 2006, with the site name and minimal SEO knowledge, still very possible and very likely.

Go look at the site? Go look at Search and Traffic Trends?

More than 40 people eat food and live off my internet marketing business and I've been marketing online since 1996. My guess after looking at it is it made nothing or close to nothing.

If you look at the site and public stats and think it could have possibly made $15K (a far cry from very likely) then i think we all here have enough knowledge to go become billionaires.

ch1pwrecked · 12-18-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kariminal

For those who dont know who Dutch is......

From 7min25s in..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtZY0sna3CA

I find it pretty ironic he's wearing a Napster tshirt in most of the video

betgo · 12-18-2009, 10:48 AM

Is this the same Dutch Boyd who had a poker site that went under and wasn't able to pay back the money in people's accounts? Strange how things keep happening to the same person.

CRUDEFINDER · 12-18-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PropPlayer

More than 40 people eat food and live off my internet marketing business and I've been marketing online since 1996.

Ethiopians itt

moki · 12-18-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PropPlayer

Go look at the site? Go look at Search and Traffic Trends?

More than 40 people eat food and live off my internet marketing business and I've been marketing online since 1996. My guess after looking at it is it made nothing or close to nothing.

If you look at the site and public stats and think it could have possibly made $15K (a far cry from very likely) then i think we all here have enough knowledge to go become billionaires.

So if I go out and register a domain name that is your company's domain name with "-Marketing.com" tacked on the end (Poker-Prop-Marketing.com), and then set up a crappy site that says "Do business with one of PokerProp's Internet Marketing companies" with affiliate links to other businesses (shady or not, competitors of yours or not), and left it up for 3 years, you'd be fine with that?

I think not. I think you would feel that it harmed your reputation, as well as infringed on your trademarks, as well as being an overtly scumbag move.

kevbo · 12-18-2009, 11:01 AM

So if someone built a site called dutchboydpoker.com you think Dutch would sit back and do nothing?

moki · 12-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kevbo

So if someone built a site called dutchboydpoker.com you think Dutch would sit back and do nothing?

Someone owns it already. In a twist of irony, it is a parked domain name being used as an affiliate referral site. heh. I wonder who owns it, Dutch or Mason?

Domain Name: DUTCHBOYDPOKER.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS15.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS16.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 31-oct-2009
Creation Date: 31-oct-2009
Expiration Date: 31-oct-2010

dietDrThunder · 12-18-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy

Dutch is making some good points (I think but I'm no lawyer).

Also, suing somebody who is broke has to be -EV, right? Even if you win you still lose.

Maybe both parties should agree to try the case here, and we'll put up a standard NVG poll to declare the winner.

2+2 has to actively defend its ownership of the brand in order to maintain it. It sucks, but that's how it is.

dietDrThunder · 12-18-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchalicious

That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Why not just let my mom decide?

Another thing I don't understand about this lawsuit and Mason's post is Mason claiming I never sent revenue records from the parking for five years. I sent screenshots accounting for the traffic and the revenue, which was less than the cost to file the lawsuit... a little over $200 for 5 years. It costs $350 to file a lawsuit here in Nevada.

Maybe Tyler didn't forward that over to you Mason?

-Dutch

Is there any chance at all that someday we'll read about you trying to make an honest living at something? Every time we hear about you it's some kind of shady sh@t. Why is that?

dietDrThunder · 12-18-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by betgo

Is this the same Dutch Boyd who had a poker site that went under and wasn't able to pay back the money in people's accounts? Strange how things keep happening to the same person.

Yes.