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03-27-2015 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
When it comes down to it it's too many mouths at the trough. ie The problem is "the professional poker player"

I don't have the answer how to implement, but if we could eliminate the grinders poker would return to its seedling. A bunch of folks sitting around actually enjoying each other's company playing a game n a bit of gambling.

Greed is the problem with the state of the game, greed and too many lazy selfish "kids with a dream" Tx ESPN
YOU ARE RIGHT BRO.

I am so tired of ESPN expanding the coverage of the game I love, exposing people to it that might never other wise see it. Hey Stapes! Hartigan! Stop broadcasting NOW. I am calling you out. Too many people with a hoodie and a dream like your broadcast. ITS RUINING POKER. POKERSTARS.TV SUCKS

I am also so sick of guys like Fedor Holz. Get away from my trough, you jerk! You don't inspire me at all and I am so tired of you having a dream. Stop being yourself you pos. I hope you quit poker because its keeping me from having a home game with my friends. Damn I just cant stand seeing people reach self actualization while I sit at home being a hater! Screw you Greg Merson for finding poker and over coming your problems, you don't inspire me at all. All these scumbags, like Barry Greenstein, donating millions to others. BARRY YOU ARE DESTROYING POKER. Take off your hoodies and throw away your dreams because misery loves company and I am so alone.

I am so sick of these damn grinders at my trough. I just want to have fun and gambooool but FEDOR HOLZ YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Last edited by Free99; 03-27-2015 at 07:52 PM.
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03-27-2015 , 07:36 PM
i thought it was bad when people were selling 2k ebooks. i thought it was worse when there were $100/month training sites started by the best player in the world. now people are streaming for free on snitch, and it's almost liberating in the sense that we've pretty much bottomed out.
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03-27-2015 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
When it comes down to it it's too many mouths at the trough. ie The problem is "the professional poker player"

I don't have the answer how to implement, but if we could eliminate the grinders poker would return to its seedling. A bunch of folks sitting around actually enjoying each other's company playing a game n a bit of gambling.

Greed is the problem with the state of the game, greed and too many lazy selfish "kids with a dream" Tx ESPN
You might be the single worst poster on all of twoplustwo, amid very stiff competition.
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03-27-2015 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
You might be the single worst poster on all of twoplustwo, amid very stiff competition.
Epic #1 mongoloid poster. Can't believe he directed his post at Sklansky.

STOP WRITING BOOKS AND PLAYING POKER MR. SKLANSKY YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR ME AND MY BUDS. YOU ARE DESTROYING THE GAME! WE MUST GET BACK TO THE SEEDLING SO WE CAN GAMBOL WITH OTHER FOLKS AND ENJOY THEIR COMPANY! NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO IMPLIMENT?

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03-27-2015 , 07:54 PM
Of course without those books, it might be that casino poker is 20-50 tables in the US and remains a niche thing to do while waiting for your ball game to start in the sports book. All of the things you could blame for "ruining" poker could be the very reasons that it was a big enough deal to have anyone care whether or not it was ruined.
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03-27-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Uh*Oh
LMAO, you can't beat the game like almost everyone else so you blame it on the 3% to 5% who do.
Everytime. Just because some of us have a life outside poker and predictive doesn't mean losing player. My online record is prob better than yours

ITT. Scumbag loser pro poker players justifying their existence while they destroy the game
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03-27-2015 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Of course without those books, it might be that casino poker is 20-50 tables in the US and remains a niche thing to do while waiting for your ball game to start in the sports book. All of the things you could blame for "ruining" poker could be the very reasons that it was a big enough deal to have anyone care whether or not it was ruined.
let's not go crazy. it's possible that some of the old stuff like super system was good for poker, but pretty much every strategy escalation post moneymaker has been the single worst thing that poker players are doing that they have control over (i.e. not UIGEA, worldwide economy).

and even if some poker strategy has helped the game at some point or some players would not have been as good without some strategy, that doesn't mean that people should support what is a clearly ridiculous system, especially when people are doing it for free (snitching) or cheap (low and mid stakes training vids)
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03-27-2015 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
that doesn't mean that people should support what is a clearly ridiculous system, especially when people are doing it for free (snitching) or cheap (low and mid stakes training vids)
You've proved it by thinking about it? Maybe all strat is terrible for poker. Far from proven, imo. Most people in most industries think marketing is good. It is amazing that poker would be the one field where people should keep their mouths shut to make the industry better. Maybe a Nobel Prize in economics for you once you work out the details?
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03-27-2015 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
let's not go crazy. it's possible that some of the old stuff like super system was good for poker, but pretty much every strategy escalation post moneymaker has been the single worst thing that poker players are doing that they have control over (i.e. not UIGEA, worldwide economy).

and even if some poker strategy has helped the game at some point or some players would not have been as good without some strategy, that doesn't mean that people should support what is a clearly ridiculous system, especially when people are doing it for free (snitching) or cheap (low and mid stakes training vids)
In my opinion its impossible to not agree with part of this sentiment. However, you can't stop the flow of information or the progression of people wanting to market it. There is no way to control the proliferation of poker content.

You could get every poker player in the world to understand that tapping the glass is bad for the game. Its rule number one really. They know and understand its bad but do it anyways. Some people get in mentorship situations where there is a friendship and that becomes the incentive to give info. Some people do it out of frustration to make themselves feel better when the fish wins. Some people do it for money. Some people do it because they like it. No matter what the avenue you just cant stop the dissemination and progression of info, even with a blood oath or a unilateral agreement by every player ever that glass tapping is bad.

Its gonna happen, and the game is going to get tougher. The best players adapt and study. The mediocre ones complain and often quit, and the recreational player will continue to go out and play because its not about being the best or getting rich to him. He might even buy a book or two along the way as he goes through life playing poker as a fun past time.

You cannot stop the dissemination of information or increasing competition so you might as well try to get comfortable and adapt. Hopefully there are no book burnings any time soon!

Last edited by Free99; 03-27-2015 at 08:29 PM.
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03-27-2015 , 08:30 PM
Presumably it was ok though OP when you were learning? As long as you get privileges and no one else right? Like you have a birth right to exploit ignorant people / the underclass.
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03-27-2015 , 08:36 PM
Assassinato has given out so much free info its absurd. But it is good info and there are people who want to hear it. Some of its free, and he also sells lessons and digital content. He is a solid teacher that does a good job at coaching.

What do we do about a guy like him? Hope he just goes away? Ask him to stop?

Info is gonna get out no matter how much anyone whines or hates it and some of it will be good enough to charge money for some of it won't. Some of it will be great. Some, awful. Some will be serious, some will put on a show, some will do both.

Don't like it? Don't support it. But it will be much much much easier on anyone who can't get over it to just do so now because you are drawing dead thinking its going to change.

I think many people are playing poker because its hard, and the fact that they want to get better causes them to study and thus play more. If we were in a vacuum where zero info was disseminated, wouldn't it always come down to raw talent or who has played the most hands? Wouldn't Doyle just have stayed GOAT to this very day since he is one of the vets?
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03-27-2015 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Everytime. Just because some of us have a life outside poker and predictive doesn't mean losing player. My online record is prob better than yours

ITT. Scumbag loser pro poker players justifying their existence while they destroy the game
Anti-social, bitter people, whether they win or lose, do much more damage to the game than the small percentage who win imo. It's been my experience that far more of these run-of-the-mill radiators of hate are losers rather than winners.
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03-27-2015 , 10:58 PM
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03-27-2015 , 11:20 PM
Just because people have access to training info doesn't mean they will be able to apply it correctly. How many times have u seen the guy who brings a book and sun glasses to the table and tries to 4 or 5 bet , or jam rivers and turns out of context because he saw some pro training video on YouTube that said it was a good spot. Its probably costing them more than just being the nit or donk they normally would be.
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03-27-2015 , 11:23 PM
There is the door. I'm about to start a 10 hour session.
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03-27-2015 , 11:45 PM
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03-28-2015 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
When it comes down to it it's too many mouths at the trough. ie The problem is "the professional poker player"

I don't have the answer how to implement, but if we could eliminate the grinders poker would return to its seedling. A bunch of folks sitting around actually enjoying each other's company playing a game n a bit of gambling.

Greed is the problem with the state of the game, greed and too many lazy selfish "kids with a dream" Tx ESPN
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Everytime. Just because some of us have a life outside poker and predictive doesn't mean losing player. My online record is prob better than yours

ITT. Scumbag loser pro poker players justifying their existence while they destroy the game

I do not really understand your objection. It seems to be that "the people who win are ruining the game; we need to get rid of all of the people who win". Of course, if you do that, new people will become the people who win and so on and so on.
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03-28-2015 , 12:28 AM
Dont let the new ones make clones of themslefs?
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03-28-2015 , 12:42 AM
you gotta love how hard poker is getting. i hope everyone loses but me.

go to the pokerstars support threads if u want to see whats wrong with poker. #****amaya
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03-28-2015 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I do not really understand your objection. It seems to be that "the people who win are ruining the game; we need to get rid of all of the people who win". Of course, if you do that, new people will become the people who win and so on and so on.
Why don't you get it. People need to quit playing poker so the game can return to its seedling of gambling with folks and enjoying their company.

People need to stop playing and talking about poker. That will help poker. Now... how to implement....
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03-28-2015 , 12:57 AM
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03-28-2015 , 05:24 AM
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03-28-2015 , 06:10 AM
Usually there's two groups of people writing posts like the OP.

a) Players who were never able to beat any game for significant money who look for someone or something to blame for their failure
b) Players who beat the games in the past because they use software, training sites, forums and study groups. Now they notice more and more players doing the exact same thing, killing their winrate

People who for years did all the things they now blame for ruining the game are delusional hypocrites.
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03-28-2015 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by xalas
Laughing my rectal passage off. This video made me laugh out loud. Cheers.

Btw, I do agree with the main message of the OP but sadly I think you leaving any poker sites will change nothing.
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03-28-2015 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
When it comes down to it it's too many mouths at the trough. ie The problem is "the professional poker player"

I don't have the answer how to implement, but if we could eliminate the grinders poker would return to its seedling. A bunch of folks sitting around actually enjoying each other's company playing a game n a bit of gambling.

Greed is the problem with the state of the game, greed and too many lazy selfish "kids with a dream" Tx ESPN
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Originally Posted by madlex
Usually there's two groups of people writing posts like the OP.

a) Players who were never able to beat any game for significant money who look for someone or something to blame for their failure
b) Players who beat the games in the past because they use software, training sites, forums and study groups. Now they notice more and more players doing the exact same thing, killing their winrate

People who for years did all the things they now blame for ruining the game are delusional hypocrites.

I think that there are more than the two groups, but the importance breaks down in the details.
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